I think the confusion here might be between Oracle Netbeans, which presumably had the support of salaried contributors and Apache Netbeans, which is supported by the people who use it. It's no longer an "outsource" project.

On 2020-05-15 14:09, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:

I disagree. :-)

In a community project, there are no users. Everyone is a contributor — there are many very small and simple ways to contribute requiring little time or knowledge.

When you use technology, you either contribute money, for commercial projects, or you contribute time, for free projects. It’s never the case that you contribute nothing at all.

Gj

On Fri, 15 May 2020 at 19:57, Peter Steele <steeleh...@gmail.com <mailto:steeleh...@gmail.com>> wrote:

    Geertjan

    I personally have no interest in whether the page is up-to-date or
    not. I was just pointing out the fact the links are out of date.

    Typically in an outsource project there are maintainers of that
    project who actively develop / improve the product  and users of
    that projects who don't usually develop but raise issues and
    highlight things to the maintainers. This mailing list is the
    users mailing list so expect a lot questions to the maintainers
    here. I see your default answer to a lot of questions about
    changes in the user list is basically "where is your pull request"
    but you are giving this to the wrong audience.


    On Fri, 15 May 2020, 14:46 Geertjan Wielenga, <geert...@apache.org
    <mailto:geert...@apache.org>> wrote:


        Your pull request is welcome, bottom of each page there’s a
        link directly to the GitHub of each page on
        netbeans.apache.org <http://netbeans.apache.org>

        Gj

        On Fri, 15 May 2020 at 15:39, Peter Steele
        <steeleh...@gmail.com <mailto:steeleh...@gmail.com>> wrote:

            Quite a few of those links don't work, maybe worth
            removing the or updating them.

            On Fri, 15 May 2020, 14:35 Geertjan Wielenga,
            <geert...@apache.org <mailto:geert...@apache.org>> wrote:

                Do you think you can look up Peter Kriens on LinkedIn
                and just ask him yourself?

                Gj

                On Fri, 15 May 2020 at 15:31, Joel Craig
                <jcr...@wavelinkinc.com
                <mailto:jcr...@wavelinkinc.com>> wrote:

                    Try here
                    
https://github.com/apache/netbeans-website-cleanup/blob/master/src/content/platform/tutorials/80/nbm-osgi-quickstart.html

                    On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 11:04 PM Varuna
                    Seneviratna <varunasenevira...@gmail.com
                    <mailto:varunasenevira...@gmail.com>> wrote:

                        Hi,
                        Not able to find Sudoku Game by Peter Kriens
                        by the link given atNetBeans Platform Quick
                        Start Using OSGi
                        <https://t.co/YXSJ6SCNZH?amp=1>, Can you help,
                        please.



                        Varuna

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