But instead of looking at this financial payment, why not consider an time/effort payment?
At present, I cant really talk, I've been busy, and have provided anything back to NetBeans in a while but then I don't have any issues that are negatively effecting me. If and when I do I will hopefully try to address them, like I have tried to in the past. The way I see it, if we could find out what exactly is blocking people from moving to 11.3/12, and then if they can spend even a small amount of time/effort into looking at these we can get to an even better NetBeans product. John On Fri, 13 Mar 2020 at 13:34, Robert Erdt <rob.e...@charter.net> wrote: > Agreed, NetBeans is worth paying for.... > > I am with Bill, I have not upgraded and I am at 9 similar to 8. > > Rob > > -----Original Message----- > From: bmelen...@hemstech.com [mailto:bmelen...@hemstech.com] > Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 9:30 AM > To: Geertjan Wielenga <geert...@apache.org> > Cc: Emilian Bold <emilian.b...@gmail.com>; Paul Szudzik < > pszud...@throwarock.com>; Netbeans Mailing List <users@netbeans.apache.org > > > Subject: Re: Statement of disappointment > > All: > > Been reading all the emails on the NB migration. I do JAVA on NB 8.0.2 > platform and have not upgraded due to the issues being address. I do okay > with the NB 8. If this is so critical for getting program done for clients, > then one should be willing to pay for the platform. See it as a business > expense and write it off at tax time. Normally, tools are included in the > cost of a job -so I'm miffed as to the expectations placing the onus on NB > development to resolve things at no cost. NB is a great platform and this > is merely a transitional period for it, so I stay with my current platform > and wait until the dust settles --or pay for the upgrade with support if my > situation changes. While NB has many issues, it will eventually resolve the > main ones or become a dust covered relic with passing memories. > > > Bill > > > > > Indeed, I think the approach Emilian suggests is the way to go. And, > > indeed, if you don't want to or have the time to move to Maven of > > Gradle, then a lot of modern options start closing off to you. > > > > But, on a different level, for a lot of users of NetBeans, the > > chickens have come home to roost: a free and open source project, such > > as NetBeans, should never simply have been 'used', it should always > > have been invested in. For example, simply filing a bug and hoping > > someone will turn up to fix it has never been the way open source is > > meant to work. > > > > Nothing is ever free -- either you spend time (in understanding how > > NetBeans works, for example) or money (in paying JetBrains, for > > example, and then you have engineers creating IntelliJ IDEA for you). > > Not spending anything at all and hoping things will work out for you > > has never been a sustainable approach. > > > > Gjj > > > > On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 4:24 PM Emilian Bold <emilian.b...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > >> Go and pick Azul Zulu' JDK FX package which comes bundles with JavaFX: > >> > >> https://www.azul.com/downloads/zulu-community/?&architecture=x86-64-b > >> it&package=jdk-fx > >> > >> I used it for an older Platform app where I don't feel like > >> configuring the FX mumbo jumbo. > >> > >> I doubt anybody can make a magic transition tools since there's too > >> much people can customize... > >> > >> Given the resources available, things are as they are. They could > >> always be better. > >> > >> --emi > >> > >> On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 5:16 PM Paul Szudzik <pszud...@throwarock.com> > >> wrote: > >> > > >> > I have been a NetBeans user since inception. I am retired now, > >> but > >> when I worked, I was one of the few people in my company that was an > >> advocate of NetBeans, and used it instead of the company line, > >> Eclipse product. > >> > > >> > Retired now for 10+ years, I used NetBeans to develop my > >> > products, > >> and really getting involved in JavaFX big time. I love the cross > >> platform capability, and use it on both Ubuntu and Windows. > >> Raspberry Pi, no problem. Windows, no problem. I loved it. Then > >> boom, Oracle takes JavaFX out of the mix, and NetBeans and I start > >> having major problems. It gets harder and harder to use NetBeans with > >> it’s incompatibility with JavaFX without going through hoops every > >> single time we upgrade. I have a ton of projects that are a major > >> pain to go back to without having to dance on a high wire to get to > >> work. And I am still not sure I can do this anymore. > >> > > >> > I have been a computer programmer, designer and architect for > >> > well > >> over 53+ years. I have see many systems come and go, many IDE rise > >> and fall, many languages surface and crash. The move to Maven is > >> beyond my scope now. I want to program, not to have to regenerate > >> and rehash my build system every release. I have tried to move over > >> to 11, and mostly failed. I have too many modules and programs in play > to hack this out. > >> > > >> > It would have been great if NetBeans had a seamless transition > >> > , > >> built in conversions for old projects to current format. Seriously, > >> I would love to be on that train. But nope, it seems too much > >> handholding and dancing. I currently have a half dozen active > >> Beta’s that are stuck in a NetBeans 8.1.x / Java 8 scenario, that > >> I want to port into NetBeans > >> 11.3 / Java 13+ area, but really don’t believe that it is 1: Easy, 2: > >> Lasting, 3: Enduring more than another release. > >> > > >> > I still have reported bugs > 5 years old that are not resolved. > >> > > >> > I see streams of notes that are asking questions about > >> compatibility. ( The latest straw is the Ant image ... ) I see how > >> once the major players in NetBeans get on a wagon, the trail off is > >> almost impossible. If you’re new to NetBeans, perhaps this is a > >> good trend. > >> If > >> you have dealt with NetBeans as long as I have.. it becomes more than > >> just an annoyance. It almost easier to find another IDE to settle in > >> on, as the amount of work to transfer 100+ projects, probably more, > >> from old NetBeans to new NetBeans is formidable. > >> > > >> > Maybe a 3rd party can produce a product that 100% transfer old > >> projects to Maven.. I’d rather develop and code than mess around > >> with trying to make things move up the NetBeans chain anymore.. > >> Coding is fun, transitioning is not. I am 100% committed to JavaFX, I > >> like the layouts, I like what Gluon has done, I like the look and > >> feel. > >> > > >> > NetBeans 8 –> NetBeans 11+ –> convert ... > >> > > >> > I would normally apologize for my rant, but nope. I feel that I > >> > am > >> now progressing backwards... > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org > >> For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@netbeans.apache.org > >> > >> For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists > >> > >> > > > > > Bill Melendez, Founder & CEO, MBA > HEMS Technology > www.hemstech.com > www.linkedin.com/in/billmelendez > bmelen...@hemstech.com > 817-932-0047 > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@netbeans.apache.org > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@netbeans.apache.org > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists > >
