-1 for only 2 releases per year. This is far to less and will end up with
the Oracle model, where we only have 2 releases per year (Round About, look
at the Roadmaps, you see often big time between a new release and an old
one). We will not be competitive to other IDEs, we are still now lack of a
lot of Features (Little ones, which make everyone happy and Handy and big
ones). IMHO the biggest Problem now with the NetCat is still the donation
process. I guess, it will be less problematic after we have everything in
Apache and completed donation.
To put it back to the JDK Version is also not good, again only IMHO,
because NetBeans is still not a Java DIE anymore we should remove this
thinking which is still in the heads of a lot of developers. And to put
that thinking away, NetBeans Needs more advertisement of the other Features
and more implementation of stuff, which is still missing (Angular, Vue,
JSON Schema, other language supports, etc.)
How will the Patches look like? Only bug fixes? What About Major Releases
like 11, 12, 13 and in between 11.1, 11.2 with new Features?
I mean we can have 11 in Feb and 12 in I don’t know August which is 6
Months and in between we should have 11.1 and 11.2 which is not only a
bugfix for a lot of Bugs, also with new Features, but not that big. So
Maybe no NetCat for 11.1 and 11.2 or not that much time spending on that.
Maybe reducing the NetCat process or changing it? Come one, there can be a
lot more stuff to make it better and possible. I know and this is a big
Benefit, that NetBeans is real stable. I switched from Eclipse now 5 years
ago to NetBeans, because of 2 simple Plugins of Eclipse, that broke the
whole IDE. I know that we Need that Quality. So IntelliJ or the JetBrains
based IDEs are also real stable.
So I think we can handle it.
And no, using the development Version is not an Option, they are often not
stable and not possible to use it in production. I tried it from 7.0 – 7.2
I end up with a nightly build with a lot of NPE after starting the DIE so I
had to go back tot the stable Version and had to wait 3 more months for the
new Fancy Features.
Agian, I think after the donation process, it will be more easy, so we
should wait a whole year 2019 to see what happens then and should discuss
it again after the last release of 2019. We should not overreact yet.
My 2 cents
Cheers
Chris
Von: Laszlo Kishalmi
Gesendet: Dienstag, 13. November 2018 18:08
An: net...@netbeans.apache.org
Betreff: Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans roadmap updates
Well, it is not that simple.
Having major plugins to have their own release means that you shall
replicate at least some of the release infrastructure/process/people
work for it.
On the other hand one of the greatest values of NetBeans is that it just
works out of the box. Having some plugins create their own releases
means moving to the Eclipse model as plugins might creating frictions
from release to release between each other and the IDE. I had to listen
countless discussions of my colleges which version of eclipse to use
with which version of plugins, until the Eclipse distribution creators
showed up. So I would not go that route.
Having two releases per year with 3 month patch releases sounds fair to me.
For those who want the new and shiny, there was always a possibility to
use the development version.
On 11/13/18 8:03 AM, Alexander Romanenko wrote:
Sorry if this was discussed before and I missed it.
Are there any reasons why major plugins cannot have their own release
schedule? From org perspective, i think (1) puts less pressure on testers
to test all features at once, including ones they are not familiar with.
(2) less pressure from users about not having access to plugins that are
"complete" months ago but have to wait for arbitrary global release date.
вт, 13 нояб. 2018 г. в 9:59, Neil C Smith <neilcsm...@apache.org>:
On Tue, 13 Nov 2018, 14:16 Emilian Bold <emilian.b...@gmail.com wrote:
Two releases per year seems more manageable.
The point of 4 was to be more manageable though. Less changes, less
pressure for new features to meet deadlines (dropping 3 months less of
an
issue)
I'm happy with either, but I don't think the current situation with
lots of
changes / things still being donated is a good model for how this might
work once the dust settles.
Best wishes,
Neil
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