On 09/07/14 05:35 AM, users-requ...@lists.fedoraproject.org wrote:
On 7 Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2014 00:36:37 -0700 From: Joe Zeff
On 07/08/2014 11:40 PM, lee wrote:
>When something is disguised or hidden, it is not disabled. It is
>camouflaged or concealed. Camouflage, concealment, hiding, disguise and
>masking can all be used for*preventing* from being disabled.
No. When a service is disabled it can still be started after boot, but
when it's masked, it can't be started at all.
Do understand that I'm defending neither systemd nor the deveolper's
choice of terminology. I'm merely correcting what looks like a
misstatement of how it works.
Yes! And how it *works* is not what that term, used normally describes.
Which is the point being made.
'Disabled' should imply 'NEVER'
'Masked' is not a word which should be used in this context.
Selinux got the terms correct, IMHO there is NO reason why systemd
should not use the same terms:
ENABLED means ALWAYS
PERMISSIVE means SOMETIMES
DISABLED means NEVER
These are the start-up default states and should have no effect on using
start or stop directly. Systemd however mis-manages this as well, so
that you cannot start a 'masked' service
So 'masked' is actually NEVER NOT EVEN WHEN YOU WANT IT. and DISABLED
means SOMETIMES, but there is no way to set a state where the computer
cannot under any circumstances but you can MANUALLY.*
This thread contains numerous instances of why systemd is not well
architected, although what it does do, it seems to do well. What it
tries to do seems to be a 'reach which exceeds its grasp'. And to boot,
the documentation, although extensive is far too abstract and
blatherfull to be actually useful.
Geoff
*I mean that I should not have to 'unmask', 'start' and 'mask' the
service to achieve an 'only-when-*I*-want-it' start-up of a service.
Setting 'disabled' means that the system can start it whenever it feels
the need.
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