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On 07/05/14 20:13, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
> So, how should this mess get fixed? Start filing bugs against all these 
> packages, requesting a change to their systemd service file, to state a 
> dependency on network-online.target?

FWIW, I'm running a fully updated F20 system and not seeing any problems for 
httpd and named

Last login: Sat Jul  5 21:46:26 CST 2014 on pts/0
[root@f20f ~]# uptime
 21:59:25 up 0 min,  1 user,  load average: 1.33, 0.44, 0.15

[root@f20f ~]# journalctl -b -u httpd.service
- -- Logs begin at Thu 2013-12-19 06:42:00 CST, end at Sat 2014-07-05 21:59:21 
CST.
Jul 05 21:59:00 f20f.greshko.com systemd[1]: Starting The Apache HTTP Server...
Jul 05 21:59:02 f20f.greshko.com systemd[1]: Started The Apache HTTP Server.

[root@f20f ~]# journalctl -b -u named-chroot.service
- -- Logs begin at Thu 2013-12-19 06:42:00 CST, end at Sat 2014-07-05 21:59:49 
CST.
Jul 05 21:58:57 f20f.greshko.com systemd[1]: Starting Berkeley Internet Name 
Domai
Jul 05 21:58:59 f20f.greshko.com named-checkconf[1270]: zone 
0.0.127.in-addr.arpa/
Jul 05 21:58:59 f20f.greshko.com named-checkconf[1270]: zone 
1.168.192.in-addr.arp
Jul 05 21:58:59 f20f.greshko.com named-checkconf[1270]: zone 
128.75.211.in-addr.ar
Jul 05 21:58:59 f20f.greshko.com named-checkconf[1270]: zone greshko.com/IN: 
loade

I also run with NetworkManager-wait-online.service enabled.  There was a 
specific reason I started running with that enabled....don't remember why.  
But, you may want to check that.

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