> My old Thinkpad T30 (on which I ran fedup from F18 to F19) is 
> beginning to seem like more effort than it's worth, ever if eventual 
> success of the effort were a sure thing. Is there a FedDown lurking 
> out there somewhere? 
> 
> Will an install DVD for F18 (preferably one with both gnome and 
> xfce4) let me treat the installation as if it were an upgrade, and 
> preserve my data and tweaks? 
> 


Have not worked with a T30, but on T51, T51e, and T60 I have done limited 
testing, and found that changing to lightdm makes it work for me. 


Got info from user poma 


# yum install lightdm 
# systemctl enable lightdm --force 
# systemctl start lightdm 

OK, I did that, by cutting and pasting; thanks! 

Unfortunately , however, it's ove r my head. 


The issue I've had with older machine that I've tried upgrading to 19 is that 
if I open a terminal windows from the X windows, the gnome shell starts using 
20% to 40% of the cpu. Don't see anything with xfce and opening a terminal 
window. 


Remember I'm only on it with ssh -- and even if I had a command line on the 
laptop itself, I wouldn't know how to open a terminal , much less launch the 
whole GUI. 

I rebooted, hoping for a login screen. No such luck. I tried typing xfce and 
enter, and xfce4 and enter, and finally startx, for lack of any other ide a ; 
they all failed. 

Incidentally, I follow this list via gmane, where all the webgibberish makes 
your text completely illegible; please desist. (I'm replying via your direct 
carbon, using a mailer I have little experience with and no liking for.) In 
fact, I'm pretty sure the list has a rule against any form of html , anyway. 



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