Am 11.10.2013 23:59, schrieb Reindl Harald: > Am 11.10.2013 23:53, schrieb Bill Oliver: >> On Fri, 11 Oct 2013, Reindl Harald wrote: >> >>> Am 11.10.2013 17:45, schrieb Bill Oliver: >>>> They offer CentOS and Fedora on their virtual machines. I use Fedora on >>>> my home machine, but switched to CentOS on >>>> the virtual machine because it's a hassle to frequently upgrade, and going >>>> from fedora 16 to 18 was impossible >>>> without reprovisioning the machine. >>> >>> because you can't skip a version >>> >>> i maintain around 20 production servers over years running with >>> fedora and *all of them* where upgraded from F9 to F18 with >>> yum as well the upgrade to F19 is tested and easy >>> >>> you only need to follow the instructions and in case of GRUB2 >>> it is also easy and painless to move /boot in case you have a >>> own virtual disk for it to get the needed free space >>> >>> hence you can even do this on one virtual machine and blow >>> the dd-image including the partition table to the other >>> machines if they are maintained well and have the same software >>> based from the same golden master >>> >>> so no - it is *not* impossible >> >> Sigh. Yes, I know you have to go through 17 to get to 18, Mr. Harald. And, >> no, it's not just a matter of >> "following instructions." In fact, almost nothing that requires significant >> technical skill is just a matter of >> "following instructions." Arrogant savants forget the fact that they paid a >> lot of dues learning the little tricks >> that *aren't* in the instructions. Your tell, for instance, is that you >> brag about upgrading 20 machines from F9 >> to F18. You may not be willing to admit it, but I suspect *somewhere* in >> there, there were a few gliches. But, >> because you have done it a bunch of times, you know how to deal with them. >> That's very different that doing it for >> the first time. > > 2006 i switched from one day to another completly to Fedora > > this was short before FC6 was released, so my very first "no fallback machine" > was installed with FC5 and two days later upgraded to FC6 and while 1.5 years > later i started with production servers based on Fedora 9 i even skipped F9 > and upgraded directly from F8 to F10 on desktop machines > > so *no* you do not need years of technical skills, learning by doing works
and i forgot to mention that this very first machine with Fedora was my primary workstation with no fallback and upgraded from F5 to F11 until it died without a single time re-install from scratch, honestly i have never in my life re-installed a linux machine from scratch and move disks from old to new hardware - there exists *nothing* in case of booting a Linux system which can't be fixed with a Live-CD
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