On Mon, 25 Mar 2024 18:47:37 -0700
Samuel Sieb <sam...@sieb.net> wrote:

> On 3/25/24 17:31, Franta Hanzlík wrote:
> > On Mon, 25 Mar 2024 14:48:23 -0700
> > Samuel Sieb <sam...@sieb.net> wrote:
> >   
> >> On 3/25/24 11:52, Franta Hanzlík via users wrote:  
>  [...]  
> >>
> >> What do you mean by "system-wide"?  I use it for site to site VPN.  
> > 
> > System-wide should be connections, which are not user-dependent (i.e.
> > connections, which starts immediately after system boot up. - as typical
> > for servers).
> > Unlike user connections, which are activated only after the user logs in.
> > And what I saw somewhere was that VPN connections can only be of
> > the second kind - user initiated.
> > But maybe it was some old information and now system-wide VPN connection
> > is now also possible?
> > I confess that I hardly know the NetworkManager, or only its graphical
> > interface...  
> 
> Even wifi connections are "system-wide" connections.
> And whatever information you had about VPNs is very old.  I've used NM 
> for that for a long time.

Really? Especially with WiFi connections, I thought they were in some user 
private profiles, for use only by a specific user... Hmm...
I seem to be behind the times. ;)

>  [...]  
> >>
> >> Right, don't use network-scripts.  Use "nm-connection-editor" for
> >> creating the PPPoE connection.  I think upgrading to F39 would have
> >> converted all your ifcfg files to NetworkManager connection files anyway.  
> > 
> > I have always preferred network-scripts over NetworkManager on the server,
> > for its reliability and stability. And why should a useless program run on
> > the server when I only need to activate the interface at startup and then
> > nothing else?
> > (a few (10?) years back I had an unpleasant experience with the 
> > NetworkManager
> > when, after restarting a remote multihome server, it set the routing so
> > badly that the machine became unreachable. Is it time to trust him again?). 
> >  
> 
> I've been using it for a long time on a remote many-homed server with no 
> issues and it doesn't use enough memory to bother me.

That sounds encouraging, I'll try to get through the NetworkManager - I 
guess I won't have any other choice...

Samuel, many thanks!
-- 
Franta Hanzlik
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