On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 at 12:28, M. Fioretti <mfiore...@nexaima.net> wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 22, 2022 09:05:54 AM -0400, George N. White III wrote: > > [...] > - All I know is that is that it is sorely needed ONE front-end in > Linux where one can say, as it was in the golden age of .rpm and .deb, > "I need this software. I couldn't care less, and there's nothing bad > with it, of which language, build environment, packaging > format... this software came from. Just find the damn thing and > install it yourself, with any dependency, while I take a nap". > > - I don't know if conda is the right theoretical answer. I just know > that until there is no awareness from developers and distro > integrators (more the former than the latter, probably) of the mess > they have put users in, and the will to fix it with conda or anything > else, nothing will change > Linux distros have to focus on the most commonly used packages. Debian may be the exception -- there you can get packages with a smaller user base if someone steps forward to do the work, including contributing to libraries they require. Cross-distro packagers don't want to make it easy for users to switch back to distro packages (hence python versus python3). Conda-forge is more open to allowing packages with a limited user base. > > funny historical note about conda: they "stole" (note the quotes, no > problem with that) the miniconda name from the RULE project I and > others started twenty years ago: > > https://www.slideshare.net/mfioretti/rule-ld-roma2004 I vaguely remember RULE. I used to work in a group that ran ocean remote sensing workshops for post-doc level scientists from developing countries. At one time participants had Windows PC's and the course used a linux VM from NASA. I demoed a bare-metal installation on an old PC and advised participants to look for an old unloved and unwanted PC at their home institution on which they could install linux. Name clashes can often be avoided if people would check that a proposed name is not already in use, and b) consistently use something unique like their organization name as a prefix. If nothing is done such clashes will only increase with time. > and also https://spazioinwind.libero.it/marco_web/RULE/installer.html (I > have a full static archive of the original RULE website, went offline > when I switched VPS, will restore it asap) > Try a goggle search for "python snap library" and imagine a student whose instructor said "for today's homework, install the python snap library and use it to ....". If your requirements match those of sufficiently large audience, you might consider organiziing a Fedora spin. -- George N. White III
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