On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 11:47 PM, Joel Rees <joel.r...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Jun 29, 2010, at 11:18 AM, Robert Myers wrote: > > > But there is a Fedora issue here. Why would anyone sane try to use > > bleeding-edge Fedora for multi-media web surfing? > > Just curious, are you talking about rawhide or 64 bit? Please be a > little more specific. Otherwise, you could hit someone's hot-buttons. > (Mine, for instance.) > I'm talking about Fedora, which has no aim to be a Windows replacement, period. > > > Use Windows > > Begging your pardon? > > > or install a real or virtual Ubuntu somewhere to do that kind of > > messing around. > > F12 on 32 bit AMD is quite stable for me, although, if I could afford > the RAM and cpu and motherboard upgrade for virtualization (When did > the requirements shoot through the roof?) I'd definitely surf sandboxed. > > (Even F12 on my iBook, well, gnash handles some of the Flash > dependent sites.) > The requirements for GUI Linux have been shooting through the roof for years. > > > Use the free Windows that came with your box > > Showing our biases, are we? > What bias. I hate Windows. If you want to see how the web looks to someone other than a geek, you have to use Windows. > > It ain't free, and there are a lot of users here whose computers have > never booted MSWindows. (Well, my AMD box was tested at the store > with MSWIndows before they wiped it and turned it over to me, but not > since.) > You are asking a lot from your box. > > > and install a virtual Fedora box (assuming your system is up to it). > > Huge assumption, there, although, if we are talking 64 bit, maybe not > so huge. > If your system isn't up to it, then your system isn't up to it. > > > Run a separate Fedora box from your Windows box > > Many people's living arrangements don't allow for casually adding > another box. > Then maybe you have to make some choices about what to expect and what not to expect from your box. > > > and import X applications from your Fedora box using Cygwin-X. The > > possibilities are almost endless, but there is one constant: keep > > Flash off your Fedora box. > > Are you saying that because Adobe can't seem to fix the hole in their > Flash for GNU/Linux? > > Or are you saying that because it's not stable on your system? > I'm saying that because Flash is nothing but a source of problems, even on Windows. I want to keep problems off my Fedora boxes so that I can count on a clean environment. I hate ever to agree with Steve Jobs, but, on this issue, I'm on his side. In any case, if you experience problems with Flash, don't blame it on the OS. > > > One of the myths about Linux is that you can do anything on > > downscale hardware. > > Heh. One of the myths about computers is that you can do anything at > all. > > I'm not sure what to do with a comment like that, especially because I don't know how old you are. This is really not the forum, though, for a broad-ranging discussion of how limited computers really are, in part because of the ways we misuse them. > > If you're running an older box, some graphical applications will > > make your box show its age. > > Graphical? As in the Gimp, or as in 3D modeling, or as in GUI? > GUI. > > > An old box free of tons of graphical crap can still do amazing > > things in Linux. Set realistic expectations, don't expect magic, > > and use something other than Fedora for multi-media web surfing. > > I'm wondering what you mean by multi-media web surfing, because there > sure is a lot that falls under that label that my 1.6 MHz Sempron > 2600 or whatever with only 760MB RAM or whatever after it pulls out > the video RAM (So, like, five or six years ago, isn't it?) handles > reasonably well. > We had agreed to that this is not the place to discuss Firefox. What you regard as "reasonably well" and what I would regard as reasonably well almost certainly aren't the same. Firefox has had its ups and downs. > > Granted, there are many cases of websites that are intended only for > the latest-greatest hardware, and there are many websites that > deliberately target specific applications. If you're saying that > people who want to visit such sites should go prepared for what those > sites throw at you, I'll agree with that. > > I myself wouldn't suggest raw MSWindows to anyone, but stuff it in a > VM, and you can visit the sites that are designed to use junk that > only runs on MSWindows sort of safely. If you really, really, really > want to. Sort of safely. > There isn't a safe way to surf the web, so far as I know. > > Right now, Adobe's flash for GNU/Linux has problems, and gnash is, > well, always going to be a little behind unless Adobe decides to help > out in a major way. Speaking of which, if all Fedora users avoid > Flash, where does Adobe get their bug reports from? > If that's what you want to be doing with your life, have at it. Robert.
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