On 06/02/2018 12:45 AM, Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 06/01/2018 09:32 PM, John Morris wrote:
On Fri, 2018-06-01 at 11:30 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote:

You did online updates?  This is the reason why offline updates is the
default now, because doing updates without a reboot can cause weird
situations like this.

Ok, you maniacs finally did it, you made a Linux suck as hard as
Windows.  I'm out.

Seriously?  This discussion comes up regularly.  In most cases online updates work, but sometimes there are issues.  Read the past threads for more info, but it's an extremely hard problem to make it always work for very obvious reasons when you think about what's happening.

There have always been times, particularly with driver updates and particularly early in a release where things just don't work after an update and reboot is required.

That is part of the reason I normally wait at least 3 mo after a new release comes out to move to it.  But this time fan failures on my old system (regularly getting to 100C and shutting off) forced me to another unit and the current release.

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