>   It has to be an older one -- not a brand new one or you run into the same 
> problem of having a too-new adapter.

That's not true. It varies device by device. Some new devices have
excellent drivers. Always check http://linuxwireless.org/.

===
Gavin,

Many drivers have debug mode, which will output to the kernel logger
(`journalctl -k` or `dmesg`). It varies by driver, and you'll have to
poke around in /sys to find it, and probably write 1 to a file.
Additionally, putting wpa supplicant in debug mode `-dd` option to
`/usr/lib/systemd/system/wpa_supplicant.service` might get you more
information.

On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 5:42 PM,  <ven...@billoblog.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 2 Jun 2016, Gavin Simpson wrote:
>
>> Nothing that jumps out at me. Here's the entries from the journal from
>> the last time I restarted the wifi to a point where the connection is
>> lost:
>>
>> [snip'
>>
>>
>
> Speaking as a fedora user, this has happened to me a number of times over
> the years.  I've posted to this and other forums each time and get the same
> kind of responses of tweaking this or that (particularly the MTU).
>
> And... every time, it either didn't work or worked poorly.  I am convinced
> it was the driver.
>
> What I ended up doing was go out and buy a slightly-out-of-date external usb
> wifi adapter.  It has to be an older one -- not a brand new one or you run
> into the same problem of having a too-new adapter.
>
> Then, I use the thing for a couple of months (or until the next version
> comes out), and viola!  It's magically working again.
>
> The laptop I'm using is a case in point.  I bought it in the early days of
> Fedora 22.  Nothing I tried would make the damn thing go for more than about
> 5 minutes.  In installed Mint, and it didn't work.  I installed Manjaro, and
> it didn't work.
>
> So, I plugged in my three-year-old usb wifi adapter and chugged along with
> that until Fedora 23 came out.  And, voila, it worked perfectly.
>
> Things aren't nearly as bad as they were 20 years ago, when you had to go
> out and buy an obsolete machine or else spend a month trying to make the
> hardware work.  But occasionally, the drivers are still not quite "there"
> yet on brand new boxes.
>
>
> billo
>
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