I have missed most of the flow on this but in answer to the questions below.
 
1. Using a mobile phone and a long number.
        MT: - You will be able to deliver to any network where there is an interconnect between the network operator of the GSM Modems Sim and the network you wish to deliver to. This covers alot of the world but not all.
                 You will be charge international SMS rates for numbers that your network considers to be an internation SMS.
 
        MO: - The same rules apply with regards to interconnecting, and users will be charged the amount for internation sms if their operator considers it to be an intenrational sms
 
2. Aggregator.
 
        1. Short Codes are network specific. So will not work internationally unless you are roaming
 
        2. We can set up long numbers for you through aggregators that will allow near global access these will be +44 numbers so anyone outside the uk is charged international sms rate.
       
        3. I can do bulk broadcast sms to almost many operators world wide and this cost ranges from 4p per message to 7p per message depedant on country and you get 10msg per second with delivery receipts where the operator supports them. This is all through a single API.
 
I hope this helps answer some of these questions - if I have misunderstood then please ask me again.
 
Steve
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 3:50 PM
Subject: World-Wide Networks - SMS ?

Thank you for the reply.  With regards to MO, with a GSM modem, we would have our own SIM card w/ its own phone number that anyone from around the world could msg to.  They would have to pay the long dist. txt msging fees though.  What about sending - would we be charged for over-seas messaging for MT?

Using an aggrigator, for MO, we would setup a shortcode through them and their API would call code on our end, correct?  For MT, it's a basic fee, if purchased through a bulk supplier like Zim TynTec, Clickatell, or Mobile-XS, right?

They have access on several world-wide networks.  Have they setup something like Kannel, and a GSM modem to communicate with all these carriers, or CDMA and forged relationships with all the carriers.  I suspect it is the latter, as they keep adding new networks.  Ideas?

How could we get access on these networks without going to through a carrier like them, or is it worth it?  What's the process?

 

Thank you.



----- Original Message -----
From: "Davy Chan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Baden de Bari" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Kannel and GSM modems
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 10:31:25 +0800

>
> **>From: "Baden de Bari" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> **>To: "Rafael 'Dido' Sevilla" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> **>Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 11:51:47 -0600
> **>Subject: Kannel and GSM modems
> **>
> **>There are sites that post the SMS/GSM codes for most world-wide network
> **>carriers. So Kannel uses a GSM modem to link up to these carriers?
> **>
> **>For example, if we want to send in the US and Canada, we would need some
> **>sort of agreement with the network carriers to send to customers on their
> **>networks? ie. To send a msg to a user in Canada using Rogers Wireless:
> **>we have the number, and want to push the message to them.
> **>
> **>As I'm not too familiar with the use of GSM modems, I would like some
> **>more in formation about how to use them with Kannel and how to link up
> **>to world-wide carriers?
> **>
>
> Please send text-only mail to the mailing list. Some of us
> don't use HTML-enabled mail readers due to many reasons.
>
> I will reply to all three of your emails in this email.
>
> GSM and CDMA are two different technologies to accomplish the
> same thing: send voice and data to mobile terminal. These mobile
> terminals can be mobile phones that support voice, SMS, data,
> a pretty color screen, etc., or they can be modems that support
> limited functionality (maybe just SMS and data).
>
> GSM uses a Subscriber Information Module (SIM) to store
> information on how to connect to the Mobile Network Operator (MNO)
> that is his/her home operator. The SIM can be moved from one
> GSM device to another. This allow you to use different
> devices with the same SIM (allowing easy upgrades of phones)
> or use different SIMs with the same device (allowing you to
> try different MNO to see if they have better coverage or lower
> pricing tariffs).
>
> CDMA uses the International Mobile Equipment Identity
> (IMEI) number (or equivalent) to determine if the device
> (phone, modem, etc) is allowed on a particular network.
> As a result, moving a device from one MNO to another requires
> you to register your device with them.
>
> The way Kannel uses a GSM modem is via the AT commands as defined
> by the ETSI TS 07.07 specifications. Kannel sends AT commands
> to the GSM modem (AT+CMGS to send an SMS, AT+CMGR to read
> an SMS, etc.) and reads the responses. Normal procedure is:
> 1. Buy a GSM modem that supports the ETSI 07.07 AT commands
> (some phones have builtin modems that support the AT commands)
> 2. Attach the GSM modem to the serial port of the host running Kannel
> 3. Get a SIM from an MNO
> 4. Get a phone number associated with the SIM (usually pre-assigned
> by the MNO or you might be able to pick the phone number for
> a list available from the MNO).
> 5. Plug in the SIM to the GSM modem.
> 6. Start sending and receiving SMS.
> This procedure [minus steps 3 and 5] also works with a CDMA modem
> so long as the CDMA modem also supports the AT commands in the ETSI
> documents (my update to the userguide will list the requied AT command
> set used by Kannel).
>
> When you send an SMS, the message will originate from the phone
> number assigned to the SIM. When someone wants to send you an
> Mobile Originated (MO) SMS, they would send it to the phone number
> assigned to your SIM.
>
> Most MNO's will have roaming agreements with other MNO's so their
> home subscribers can roam to the other MNO's network and still
> have phone service (at higher cost). Ususally, the roaming
> agreements also states that the subscribers from one MNO can
> send SMS to subscribers on the other network. This allow for
> someone in Hong Kong to send SMS to someone in France.
>
> Since the MNO's have the agreements to pass SMS to other
> MNO's, in the GSM world, you do not need to get an agreement
> specifically to do this.
>
> For CDMA, it's a different world. Text messages in the CDMA world,
> was originally Mobile Terminated (MT) messages (i.e. the carrier
> can send the message to you but you could not send a message
> back [no MO SMS].). More recently, CDMA added support for MO SMS.
> As a result, many CDMA MNOs did not have agreements to pass
> SMS between each other. This meant you needed to get agreements
> with each operator before you can send messages to their subscribers.
>
> Nowadays, there are SMS aggregators that can provide you with
> the means to send SMS to just about any subscriber. They have
> made the agreements with the MNOs and will provide you with
> a means to send (and sometimes receive) SMS. Some provide
> connections that use HTTP, SMPP, etc., that Kannel will
> use to communicate with them. In those, cases, you would
> not need a GSM modem. But, you would need to get an account
> from the aggregator and pay for sending/receiving the SMS.
>
> See ya...
>
> d.c.





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