I don't think the process here is perfect, but I do think whatever process
we have should be self-policing i.e. committers shouldn't need to watch and
vet every video that someone chooses to submit to work out if it's good
quality, vendor-neutral, and relevant.

The Kafka Summit approach is at least self-vetting and, in my opinion, it's
the best compromise between being low maintenance, fair, and not open to
manipulation. I appreciate that there are some forms of content it might
not cover, but I think it's fair to say that the vast majority of
high-quality Kafka-related video content comes out of Kafka Summit, so
overall it seems like a good compromise. Reusing a pre-existing Apache
committee and community process rather than putting yet another burden on
the committers, etc. also just seems like a good, pragmatic approach.

B

On Fri, 9 Oct 2020 at 11:15, Paolo Patierno <ppatie...@live.com> wrote:

> Hi Ben,
>
> Thanks for the answer and sorry to come back to this so late.
>
>
> From what you described, it seems that the process to get Kafka related
> videos on the Apache Kafka community web site is going through the Kafka
> Summit.
>
> You have to submit a talk, it has to be accepted by the committee and
> finally, it has to get more votes.
>
> To be honest I don’t see it as a transparent and open community approach.
>
> Requiring a submission is problematic because there could be good content,
> such as something based around a screencast, that wouldn’t necessarily make
> for a good conference talk. Also, to present at Kafka Summit my
> understanding is that I have to make a contributor agreement with
> Confluent. Such agreements are not necessary to contribute to Apache.
>
> While the most recent Kafka Summit was free, for previous summits only
> people paying for the summit would have been able to vote.
>
> I would say that in this way we are missing a lot of good content talking
> about Apache Kafka out there that would be beneficial to the overall
> community.
>
> I can understand that we want high-quality content on the website but
> going through the usual open way with a pull-request and reviews from the
> community and committers would be a more transparent process in my opinion.
> It would allow for the author of the content to iteratively improve it,
> rather than having to wait months for a new Kafka Summit CFP, review etc
> etc.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Paolo
>
> Paolo Patierno
> Principal Software Engineer @ Red Hat
> Microsoft MVP on Azure
>
> Twitter : @ppatierno<http://twitter.com/ppatierno>
> Linkedin : paolopatierno<http://it.linkedin.com/in/paolopatierno>
> Blog : DevExperience<http://paolopatierno.wordpress.com/>
> ________________________________
> From: Ben Stopford <b...@confluent.io>
> Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 12:54 PM
> To: Kafka Users <users@kafka.apache.org>
> Subject: Re: Apache Kafka website "videos" page clarification
>
> Hi Paulo
>
> The reason for using Kafka Summit videos is there is an extensive,
> community-driven selection process that goes into Kafka Summit driven by
> the Kafka Summit Program Committee. This is then further filtered by the
> community itself: those members of the community that attend the summit and
> vote.
>
> This seems the best way to share content about AK without having a complex
> review process for each talk that someone might want to include on the AK
> website.
>
> Hope that makes sense
>
> Ben
>
> On Wed, 9 Sep 2020 at 14:00, Paolo Patierno <ppatie...@live.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi all!
> > I have just noticed the new content on the Apache Kafka website about
> > books, papers, podcasts, and videos ... congratulations and great works
> to
> > put them all together!! It's an impressive list!!
> > On the videos page I read this:
> >
> > The following talks, with video recordings and slides available, achieved
> > the best ratings by the community at the Kafka Summit conferences from
> 2018
> > onwards. Thanks to all the speakers for their hard work!
> >
> > Does it mean that it's not possible to publish videos talking about
> Apache
> > Kafka (upstream community project) that were delivered outside of Kafka
> > Summit? (i.e. KubeCon or any other conference)
> > In the end, it would be always Apache Kafka content, right?
> > What's the purpose of that video page?
> >
> > Thanks in advance for the clarification
> >
> > Paolo Patierno
> > Principal Software Engineer @ Red Hat
> > Microsoft MVP on Azure
> >
> > Twitter : @ppatierno<http://twitter.com/ppatierno>
> > Linkedin : paolopatierno<http://it.linkedin.com/in/paolopatierno>
> > Blog : DevExperience<http://paolopatierno.wordpress.com/>
> >
>
>
> --
>
> Ben Stopford
>


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