I don't think the process here is perfect, but I do think whatever process we have should be self-policing i.e. committers shouldn't need to watch and vet every video that someone chooses to submit to work out if it's good quality, vendor-neutral, and relevant.
The Kafka Summit approach is at least self-vetting and, in my opinion, it's the best compromise between being low maintenance, fair, and not open to manipulation. I appreciate that there are some forms of content it might not cover, but I think it's fair to say that the vast majority of high-quality Kafka-related video content comes out of Kafka Summit, so overall it seems like a good compromise. Reusing a pre-existing Apache committee and community process rather than putting yet another burden on the committers, etc. also just seems like a good, pragmatic approach. B On Fri, 9 Oct 2020 at 11:15, Paolo Patierno <ppatie...@live.com> wrote: > Hi Ben, > > Thanks for the answer and sorry to come back to this so late. > > > From what you described, it seems that the process to get Kafka related > videos on the Apache Kafka community web site is going through the Kafka > Summit. > > You have to submit a talk, it has to be accepted by the committee and > finally, it has to get more votes. > > To be honest I don’t see it as a transparent and open community approach. > > Requiring a submission is problematic because there could be good content, > such as something based around a screencast, that wouldn’t necessarily make > for a good conference talk. Also, to present at Kafka Summit my > understanding is that I have to make a contributor agreement with > Confluent. Such agreements are not necessary to contribute to Apache. > > While the most recent Kafka Summit was free, for previous summits only > people paying for the summit would have been able to vote. > > I would say that in this way we are missing a lot of good content talking > about Apache Kafka out there that would be beneficial to the overall > community. > > I can understand that we want high-quality content on the website but > going through the usual open way with a pull-request and reviews from the > community and committers would be a more transparent process in my opinion. > It would allow for the author of the content to iteratively improve it, > rather than having to wait months for a new Kafka Summit CFP, review etc > etc. > > > Thanks, > > Paolo > > Paolo Patierno > Principal Software Engineer @ Red Hat > Microsoft MVP on Azure > > Twitter : @ppatierno<http://twitter.com/ppatierno> > Linkedin : paolopatierno<http://it.linkedin.com/in/paolopatierno> > Blog : DevExperience<http://paolopatierno.wordpress.com/> > ________________________________ > From: Ben Stopford <b...@confluent.io> > Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 12:54 PM > To: Kafka Users <users@kafka.apache.org> > Subject: Re: Apache Kafka website "videos" page clarification > > Hi Paulo > > The reason for using Kafka Summit videos is there is an extensive, > community-driven selection process that goes into Kafka Summit driven by > the Kafka Summit Program Committee. This is then further filtered by the > community itself: those members of the community that attend the summit and > vote. > > This seems the best way to share content about AK without having a complex > review process for each talk that someone might want to include on the AK > website. > > Hope that makes sense > > Ben > > On Wed, 9 Sep 2020 at 14:00, Paolo Patierno <ppatie...@live.com> wrote: > > > Hi all! > > I have just noticed the new content on the Apache Kafka website about > > books, papers, podcasts, and videos ... congratulations and great works > to > > put them all together!! It's an impressive list!! > > On the videos page I read this: > > > > The following talks, with video recordings and slides available, achieved > > the best ratings by the community at the Kafka Summit conferences from > 2018 > > onwards. Thanks to all the speakers for their hard work! > > > > Does it mean that it's not possible to publish videos talking about > Apache > > Kafka (upstream community project) that were delivered outside of Kafka > > Summit? (i.e. KubeCon or any other conference) > > In the end, it would be always Apache Kafka content, right? > > What's the purpose of that video page? > > > > Thanks in advance for the clarification > > > > Paolo Patierno > > Principal Software Engineer @ Red Hat > > Microsoft MVP on Azure > > > > Twitter : @ppatierno<http://twitter.com/ppatierno> > > Linkedin : paolopatierno<http://it.linkedin.com/in/paolopatierno> > > Blog : DevExperience<http://paolopatierno.wordpress.com/> > > > > > -- > > Ben Stopford > -- Ben Stopford
