We have upgraded our Kafka version as an attempt to solve this issue.
However, the issue is still present in Kafka 1.0.0.

Can I log a bug for this in JIRA?

Wouter

On 5 February 2018 at 09:22, Wouter Bancken <wouter.banc...@aca-it.be>
wrote:

> The consumers in consumer group 'X' do not have a regex subscription
> matching the newly created topic 'C'. They simply subscribe with
> the subscribe(java.util.Collection<java.lang.String> topics) method on
> topics 'A' and 'B'.
>
> Shouldn't the consumer group have a different state from "Stable" during a
> rebalancing regardless of the cause? How else can we determine the consumer
> lag of the group during the rebalancing?
>
> Best regards,
> Wouter
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> On 5 February 2018 at 00:13, Hans Jespersen <h...@confluent.io> wrote:
>
>> Do the consumers in consumer group ‘X’ have a regex subscription that
>> matches the newly created topic ‘C’?
>>
>> If they do then they will only discover this new topic once their ‘
>> metadata.max.age.ms’  metadata refresh interval has passed, which
>> defaults to 5 minutes.
>>
>> metadata.max.age.ms     The period of time in milliseconds after which
>> we force a refresh of metadata even if we haven't seen any partition
>> leadership changes to proactively discover any new brokers or partitions
>> -hans
>>
>>
>> > On Feb 4, 2018, at 2:16 PM, Wouter Bancken <wouter.banc...@aca-it.be>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi Hans,
>> >
>> > Thanks for the response!
>> >
>> > However, I get this result for all topics, not just for the newly
>> created
>> > topic.
>> >
>> > Situation sketch:
>> > 1. I have a consumer group 'X' subscribed to topics 'A' and 'B' with
>> > partition assignments and lag information. Consumer group 'X' is
>> "Stable".
>> > 2a. Topic 'C' is (being) created.
>> > 2b. During this creation, I do not have a partition assignment for
>> consumer
>> > group 'X' for topics 'A' and 'B' but the consumer group is still
>> "Stable".
>> > 3. A second later: I have a partition assignment for consumer group 'X'
>> for
>> > topics 'A' and 'B' again and the consumer group is still "Stable".
>> >
>> > I expected the state of consumer group 'X' during step 2b to be
>> > "PreparingRebalance" or "AwaitingSync".
>> >
>> > Best regards,
>> > Wouter
>> >
>> >> On 4 February 2018 at 21:25, Hans Jespersen <h...@confluent.io> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I believe this is expected behavior.
>> >>
>> >> If there are no subscriptions to a new topic, and therefor no partition
>> >> assignments, and definitely no committed offsets, then lag is an
>> undefined
>> >> concept. When the consumers subscribe to this new topic they may chose
>> to
>> >> start at the beginning or end of the commit log so the lag cannot be
>> >> predicted in advance.
>> >>
>> >> -hans
>> >>
>> >>> On Feb 4, 2018, at 11:51 AM, Wouter Bancken <wouter.banc...@aca-it.be
>> >
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Can anyone clarify if this is a bug in Kafka or the expected behavior?
>> >>>
>> >>> Best regards,
>> >>> Wouter
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On 30 January 2018 at 21:04, Wouter Bancken <wouter.banc...@aca-it.be
>> >
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> Hi,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I'm trying to write an external tool to monitor consumer lag on
>> Apache
>> >>>> Kafka.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> For this purpose, I'm using the kafka-consumer-groups tool to fetch
>> the
>> >>>> consumer offsets.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> When using this tool, partition assignments seem to be unavailable
>> >>>> temporarily during the creation of a new topic even if the consumer
>> >> group
>> >>>> has no subscription on this new topic. This seems to match the
>> >>>> documentation
>> >>>> <https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/KAFKA/
>> >> Kafka+Client-side+Assignment+Proposal>
>> >>>> saying *"Topic metadata changes which have no impact on subscriptions
>> >>>> cause resync"*.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> However, when this occurs I'd expect the state of the consumer to be
>> >>>> "PreparingRebalance" or "AwaitingSync" but it is simply "Stable".
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Is this a bug in the tooling or is there a different way to obtain
>> the
>> >>>> correct offsets for a consumer group during a rebalance?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I'm using Kafka 10.2.1 but I haven't found any related issues in
>> recent
>> >>>> changelogs.
>> >>>> Best regards,
>> >>>> Wouter
>> >>>>
>> >>
>>
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