Thank you Axel for your help. I will look into what you said on both the pid possible problem and and running the truss command with the -f option for more information.

Thanks again
Kenny

At 11:02 AM 11/24/2005 +0100, you wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] logs]$ tail error.log [Tue Nov 22 11:27:59 2005] [warn] pid file /usr/users/itisgrp/servers/able/logs/httpd.pid overwritten -- Unclean shutdown of previous Apache run?

makes me suspect that at least one of the apache instances do not create the PID file in the correct directory. In this case, fad may be creating the pid file in the directory of able. Check the PidFile directive in the apache configurations.

> [EMAIL PROTECTED] bin]$ truss -o /tmp/output httpd start

The only trace this will give you is from the script that starts Apache. You should at least give the -f option to truss. Furthermore, as Joshua suggests, for trace purposes, start Apache with the -X option.

-ascs

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