Hi Regina,
On 2024-09-10 15:13, Regina Henschel wrote:
John Kaufmann schrieb am 10.09.2024 um 17:41:
On 2024-09-10 06:26, Regina Henschel wrote:
John Kaufmann schrieb am 10.09.2024 um 08:28:
There are two ways to think about a Frame anchored to Page:
1) That its position is anchored relative to position on a page (for example,
Top Center), any page.
2) That its position is anchored to a /particular/ page (but may be shifted on
that page).
It is a common mistake to think, that positioning frame/image/shape relative to page
needs the anchor "page". Therefore this option is now hidden.
Writer seems to adopt the second sense, correct? That is, for example,
if anchored on page 20 of 24, the frame will remain with page 20 even if pages
are inserted or deleted before page 20, correct?
Yes. And that use case is very, very seldom. I do not know any example.
Here is an example: A guidebook (for elections), which will probably be 24 (or
possibly 28) pages, containing seven /pairs/ of pages in which each pair
addresses one topic that is best displayed at a glance -- that is, should be
ideally on facing pages.
Then the first paragraph of the page has to specify a page break with the correct page style. For example the
first paragraph of the left page of the pair defines a page break with page style "Left Page". Such
paragraph could contain the topic of that section. The page style "Left Page" has set, that the
following page has style "Right Page".
Then you anchor each frame (Why do you need frames?) to this paragraph. If you need a
frame/image/shape on the right page, than the first paragraph of the right page needs an
explicit page break with page style "Right Page". Then you can anchor the
frame/image/shape to this paragraph.
I have been trying this approach, with chaotic results. (Several times I exited
the document without saving, in order to try again with the file. It might be
best to start over from scratch, but in my first several attempts I hoped to
save a little time by avoiding that.) To avoid delaying this reply to you any
longer, I've decided to give a partial/work-in-progress reply on the use of
frames.
Why frames? The fact that you are not a fan (especially of page-anchored frames) concerns
me, but I think they are perfectly functional here. The document has a history which sets
major constraints. [I don't want to clutter this Writer discussion with those
constraints, but see "Overview" below if you would like the history.]
Many persons have contributed parts of the document, combinations of text and graphics which are the origins
of most of those page-pairs, and those parts must be respected. In addition to giving the guidebook more
immediate usability, my hope is to "re-factor" it (in the programming sense) to make a path for
continual improvement in easy functional pieces. Frames facilitate that objective: Each contributor can
"own" a topic's page-pairs, organized in facing page frames. Within that organizational constraint,
text and graphics can be edited as needed, without disturbing others. (This is a special case of the Writer
Guide's "Using frames for page layout", in which that layout also respects the organization
/behind/ the document.)
To make this work, page-pairs should maintain their position in the document
without regard to any additions or deletions earlier in the document. That
requires pages that are essentially locked with respect to the rest of the
document, so that unlocked (un-anchored) content flows past locked pages to the
next unlocked page. That means:
1) Page-anchored frames, Wrap Off, to make locked pages. (I have not detected that the
"Allow overlap" option makes any difference, and the Writer Guide is silent on
that point, so I would appreciate knowing its function.)
2) Small cross-referenced "Continued on page <>" and "Continued from page <>"
frames just before (page-anchored to the bottom of the page) and after (page-anchored to the top of the page)
locked pages, to guide the reader.
I think I just described two valid uses of page-anchored frames, but there is
one other consideration: Why use frames at all for graphics (which have their
own anchors)? Often an image needs a caption, which must stay with that image
regardless how other text flows. Writer accomplishes that by putting a frame
around the image and the caption text (which text may or may not be part of an
Outline hierarchy). So frames in general seem inevitable.
I tried your suggestion to use paragraph-anchored frames, but the page is not locked, so
its content just gets pushed to later pages. This seems to happen regardless of
Left-/Right-page style. (The nicest advantage of Left-/Right-page styles is allowing the
page numbering to be set on the "outer edge" of each page.)
I appreciate your willingness to take a look at this guidebook. Much as I hate
to abuse your time, I would like to take you up on that offer, but the document
is currently in pieces, and I don't want to delay this reply any longer while I
restore some order to the chaos. I'm being pinged to get to another project,
but hope to send you the guidebook within a few hours.
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Best regards,
John
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Overview of /Judge of Election Job Aid/ guidebook
[Overview: Federal -> State -> County -> Precinct] In the USA, elections are
governed by State laws, with some mandatory Federal guidelines. In PA (my State),
elections are run by the Counties, subject to State laws; for example, the State
specifies how voters are qualified, while the Counties provide the voting mechanisms
(such as balloting machines) to the Precincts, which conduct the actual voting.
Precincts report votes to the Counties, which report to the State. For Election Day,
each Precinct temporarily occupies some public space (school, church, firehouse) and is
staffed by volunteers led by a Judge of Election (JoE).
Like every other Precinct worker, the JoE is a volunteer for that day -- but over the
years, requirements for how an election must be run at the Precinct level have added lots
of well-intended but uncoordinated documents, from three levels of government, for the
JoE to consult. That became so unwieldy that the County Elections Bureau decided to
produce a "JoE Job Aid" to try to summarize the most important requirements in
one place. That was a step in the right direction, but the document needs a lot of
organization to fulfill its mission (and eventually replace a *lot* of other paperwork).
That is the purpose of this effort.
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