Hi John,
thank you for your reply and the beautiful story about languages in
general and from your experience.
For me it becomes more and more mysterious.
To Writer:
Is somehow different for me, is it because of the version?
If I right click on the callout in the gallery and select "Paste", it is
inserted as an image and cannot be edited at all.
After Regina's hint I did the following: Right-click on the callout and
choose "Copy". Then paste with Ctrl+V.
Then I can double-click on the text without F2 and edit the text.
With me:
Version: 7.3.2.2 (x64) / LibreOffice Community
Build ID: 49f2b1bff42cfccbd8f788c8dc32c1c309559be0
CPU threads: 8; OS: Windows 10.0 Build 19044; UI render: Skia/Raster;
VCL: win
Locale: de-DE (de_DE); UI: de-DE
Calc: CL
Maybe it will help someone else.
Kind regards
Harald
PS: Regina is also a developer, we have a lot to thank her for.
Thanks Regina!
Am 25.04.2022 um 18:42 schrieb John Kaufmann:
Thank you, Harald.
[I should also begin with a note on language: I am always humbly
grateful for those who are willing to speak and write in my native
language. (I once worked in a multi-national engineering office in
Brussels. There were about a dozen client languages, and office
business was conducted mostly in French and English. Americans and
Brits were generally regarded as the least capable linguistically.) My
lesson from cross-language experience was that it is easier to receive
than to give, so we might best be served by everyone speaking and
writing natively, but I am grateful for those who go beyond that --
and especially grateful that English is the world's default second
language. ;-) ]
I hope you saw that Regina (who may be more knowledgeable about LO
than anyone) provided a full and simple answer in the same vein as
your approach - but she showed how to edit directly in Writer, without
resort to Draw: just F2. I will be looking at
bugs.documentfoundation.org to see if I should file a request to have
that added to the context menu.
You have helped my success. I hope someday to return the favor.
Kind regards,
John
On 2022-04-25 03:01, [email protected] wrote:
Supplement:
There also seems to be another bug in Draw.
To be able to edit the text in a flow chart object, you must first
right-click on the object and select "Break".
Kind regards,
Harald
Dear John,
first of all, thank you very much for your feedback.
This has led me to probe a little deeper into the theme.
Well I am not a developer but also just a user like you.
Therefore, as a user, you can only ever tell about experiences.
It is also possible that I did not understand your question
correctly. Sorry, English is not my native language.
But now to the point. I'm glad you are familiar with frames, because
they are a powerful tool in Writer.
There is also what I hope is a pleasing development for you.
You can use and change the flowchart graphics.
However, this only works in Draw.
I think it is a mistake that this does not work in Writer.
In this respect it would be appropriate to write a bug report.
Now for the differences, which I found out thanks to your feedback.
-- Flow charts in Writer. --
When you insert a flowchart object into Writer, you can't actually
change it (as I said, probably a bug).
In this example I used the graphic object "Process".
Right-click the object and select Properties from the context menu.
The dialog shows you that it is an image and this is therefore not
editable.
-- Flow charts in Draw. --
In Draw, add again the flow chart object "Process".
If you now double-click on the text, the cursor will appear for
editing. (Heureka)
Try right-clicking on the object.
With "Break" you can learn that it is a composite object. Use the
navigator to see the individual sub-objects.
-- Workaround - my proposal --
Create flowchart objects for your purposes in Draw and copy them to
Writer.
I wish you much success.
Kind regards,
Harald
Am 25.04.2022 um 01:28 schrieb John Kaufmann:
Thanks, Harald. That article is about using frames (including linked
frames) to layout a DTP project; it does not address the Gallery, or
even the inclusion of graphics generally. FWIW, I'm familiar with
frames (and even use them in this document), but don't see how they
relate to the question of included graphics, from the Gallery or
elsewhere.
Most of the Gallery contents seem to be traditional clip-art
(graphical symbols), including those collected in the "Flow chart"
category. How do those flowchart symbols differ from others? [The
Gallery has three other categories - "BPMN", "Diagrams", "Shapes" -
that also contain descriptive text with graphics; my original
question would also apply in those cases.] Is your point that I
should forget the Gallery and make my own graphics (from Draw or
elsewhere)? (If so, what is the purpose of the Gallery?)
Kind regards,
John
On 2022-04-24 09:30, [email protected] wrote:
IMHO, the flowchart symbols are not suitable for your purposes.
For graphical symbols that should contain text, text boxes, drawing
symbols or frames are suitable.
Please have a look if this article helps you:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Videos/Layout_in_Writer
Harald
Am 24.04.2022 um 14:52 schrieb John Kaufmann:
In years of using OO/LO (now @ 7.1.4.2), I have never been
interested in the Gallery of multimedia objects. Now I have an
application for it, and can't see how to execute a simple
inclusion of a graphic without its attached descriptive text.
Specifically: in Writer I have a 4-page booklet/pamphlet in which
the two facing inner pages have related content: The left side
(page 2) has a list of summarized thoughts (each a few lines), two
of which are expanded on the right side (page 3). To help the
reader make the connection, it seems helpful in both cases to
point from the condensed version to its expansion. The Gallery
has a set of "Flow chart" graphics, including braces and brackets
designed to serve the function of grouping a few lines and
pointing to a conclusion. Unfortunately, all come with the
description "Callout" which is inserted along with the graphic --
kind of like clip-art that includes a message "This is clip-art"
(as part of the clip-art display). This can't be right, can it? -
yet I have searched in vain (including the Help and Guides) for
how to turn off that descriptive text. What am I missing?
John
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