Hi :) I don't think that bullying users is particularly clever or productive.
Lets take a completely different scenario as an example. Lets say that someone buys a can-opener. They use it and like it so at Christmas they buy a new one as a present for a friend. The new one doesn't work. The person takes the opener back to the shop and gets told that they should have paid a few thousand on the research&development of the new one and that it's the users fault for the can-opener being broken. Ridiculous right? Regards form Tom :) On 2 October 2014 15:39, Sophie <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Charles, > Le 02/10/2014 15:50, Tanstaafl a écrit : > > On 10/2/2014 8:58 AM, Werner <[email protected]> wrote: > >> No one suggested that users should have to pay. > > > > You obviously haven't read this entire thread. Florian is trying to > > extort money from me to fix this major regression. > > ha ha, this one made me laugh, I imagine Florian... really you don't > mean what you wrote. > > > >> But it might be interesting for a certain user to get a > >> bug/feature/regression fixed ASAP and therefore having the option is > >> in my view great. > > > > As I said - suggesting a user pay for enhancements is one thing, and one > > I agree wholeheartedly with. > > > > Major regressions, on the other hand, are a very different issue, and > > your lumping them together is just plain disingenuous. > > so concerned as you are, you're following the new features page on the > wiki and test the areas they may impact you, don't you? And then test > daily builds to see if your bugs are fixed and there is no regressions? > > > >> A regression should be dealt with, and in your case it has, just not > >> fast enough for you - but that is live. > > > > Yep... and the consequences, in this case, are that my biggest client is > > seriously considering switching to Microsoft office, and because of the > > situation, caused purely by the Libreoffice devs refusal to fix the > > regression in a timely fashion, I have little ammunition to counter the > > push. I know no one here truly cares, but I do, and this is in fact the > > only reason I'm discussing this right now - meaning, I'm not a troll, > > I'm not here to just diss you guys or anything, I have what I consider > > to be very legitimate complaints about the way that this particular > > regression has, and is being, handled, and believe that (most of) the > > comments attempting to blame *me* for not 'ponying up' are irrelevant, > > invalid, and in some cases, extremely objectionable (see the paragraph > > following the next sentence as to why I take it as far as > 'objectionable'). > > So again, if you are concerned by regressions, you should follow what is > develop and what could have an impact for you. You can even write a > regression test that I can put on our manual tests system. You don't > need to wait for things to happen by themselves. > > > > Obviously, some of the volunteers here disagree, but on that note... > > > > I am also very aware that a very good number of the actual Libreoffice > > developers are paid to work on it (some full, some part) time, so it > > isn't like Libreoffice is a *purely* volunteer effort. In fact, it is, > > most likely, much too big of a project to survive on a purely volunteer > > basis, so please stop talking as if this were the case - it isn't. > > Yes but paid by whom? > > > >> If I where you I would just test the proposed fix in the daily build to > >> make sure it is fixed the way you expect it to get fixed. > > > > Oh, I will be doing this as soon as time permits, but for the last 3 > > weeks, my plate has been full, and again, since I reverted to 4.1.6 way > > back when, the bug hasn't on the front burner. > > Oh so who's gonna do the work? QA volunteers again will do the work for > your company... > > Kind regards > Sophie > > -- > Sophie Gautier [email protected] > Tel:+33683901545 > Co-founder - Release coordinator > The Document Foundation > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: [email protected] > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: [email protected] Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
