Hi Amit and Paul and . . . I am just an ordinary user -- historian by training, academic researcher in medicine by profession. I, and most with whom I work and come into contact, wish for, hope for, and strongly prefer stable releases in a work environment that requires interoperability with M$ products. One difficulty: it is not always -- in fact, it is rarely -- clear what is the latest "stable" release. I use both OO and LO, and that seems true of both. My wish is that the developer-types and other enthusiasts think more carefully, tolerantly, and generously about the technologically unsophisticated ordinary user.
Thank you. ernie kurtz ernestkurtz.com On Jul 27, 2013, at 5:51 AM, Amit Choudhary wrote: > Hi Tom, > > I have been programming since 1987. I have all my degrees in computer > science/networking. I have worked for companies like Cisco systems, Juniper > networks and have turned down offers from companies like Google and > Microsoft for one reason or other. > > This whole software industry is going in the wrong direction. Actually, by > now we should have been done by all the software (all the necessary > software developed and installed and used, no bugs, etc. > > We need to beat Microsoft because we do not want to pay for Office suite. > > The best way of doing this is to release stable versions only and this can > be done by increasing the QA cycle period. > > I do not release buggy software unless it has been approved by management. > And I have not released any software that's gonna hurt the customer even if > I have to get into discussions with managers, directors, etc. > > This whole idea of releasing software frequently is a scam, because work > doesn't get done properly in a small time window. No one gets any time for > innovation and everyone is just interested in the release. And in the end, > the software dies down because the frequent release does not fix things > properly and introduces new bugs and over time all these quickfixes kill > the product. > > THERE IS NO DEMAND FROM CUSTOMERS FOR FREQUENT RELEASES. THE DEMAND IS FROM > PEOPLE WHO ARE SOFTWARE ANALYSTS AND THEY WANT SOMETHING TO DO AND HENCE > THEY WANT FREQUENT RELEASES. IT IS A BIG SCAM. > > I use around 5-6 external softwares and if everyone is releasing something > every month then it becomes a headache to me. > > RELEASING ONLY TWICE A YEAR IS VERY FOOD. > > THE BIGGEST RISK OF RELEASING FREQUENTLY IS THAT ORIGINAL PROBLEMS ARE NOT > SOLVED PROPERLY AND QUICKFIXES MAKE MANAGING THE SOFTWARE COMPLICATED AND > IN THE END THE DEVELOPERS GIVE UP AND THE PRODUCT IS SHELVED. > > AND ALL THIS HAPPENS WITH PAID SOFTWARE TOO. > > Amit > > On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 4:07 PM, Tom Davies <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi :) >> I think with Base it's better to stay with older branches. The 3.6.7 >> might be better. if the 4.0.3 works for you then stick with that. >> >> Sadly there are still not many devs working on Base. It's not flashy >> enough! >> Regards from >> Tom :) >> >> >> >> >> >>> ________________________________ >>> From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >>> To: [email protected] >>> Sent: Friday, 26 July 2013, 10:31 >>> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] 4.0.3 >>> >>> >>> Unfortunately, the "3rd digit rule" doesn't work as goog as expected... >>> I use report builder in base, 4.0.3.3 version. Download 4.0.4 and >>> report builder no more works (crash in opening). >>> >>> thanks anyway for developers work, I remember this is a free sw, at >> the >>> end.... >>> >>> Federico Quadri >>> >>> Tom Davies <[email protected]> ha scritto: >>>> Hi :) >>>> That 3rd digit is roughly the equivalent of "Service pack". So >>>> usually the higher it is the more stable it is. Of course even just >>>> bug-patches and fixes can sometimes introduce unexpected problems >>>> that might not get caught by QA. >>>> >>>> The best answer, imo, is to keep a very stable version that you >>>> are happy enough with on all the machines you look after especially >>>> ones that have limited access or that you can't reach easily. Then >>>> on 1 machine find some way of being able to test-drive an occasional >>>> beta-test versions before it gets released. Preferably do about 1 >>>> per branch. The problem is that things you might care about deeply >>>> might not even be getting used by other people at all. So it's only >>>> you that might notice. So if you didn't test-drive then the problem >>>> might never be found. Also it's better to do your testing on a beta >>>> release rather than a full release because it's during the early >>>> beta stage that the most devs are the most focussed on the 1 single >>>> version and trying to solve the most problems quickly. Also it's >>>> when the fewest other people are making bug-reports. >>>> >>>> There are various ways you could make sure you have access to 1 >>>> version for use for work that has a dead-line and another version >>>> that you can just use to try things out and make sure it all works. >>>> >>>> Regards from >>>> Tom :) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> ________________________________ >>>>> From: Amit Choudhary <[email protected]> >>>>> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >>>>> Sent: Friday, 26 July 2013, 3:35 >>>>> Subject: [libreoffice-users] 4.0.3 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> I was using 4.0.2 and then I downloaded 4.0.3 but 4.0.3 is not >>>>> as stable as >>>>> 4.0.2. So, now I am downloading 4.0.4. >>>>> >>>>> I am more interested in stable and feature rich (optional) >>>>> software rather >>>>> than frequently released software. >>>>> >>>>> Stablility is very important because a non-stable software / >> software >>>>> having many bugs results in loss of time and frustartion. >>>>> >>>>> Amit >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> To unsubscribe e-mail to: [email protected] >>> Problems? >> http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >>> Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >>> List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ >>> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be >> deleted >>> >>> >>> >> -- >> To unsubscribe e-mail to: [email protected] >> Problems? >> http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >> Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >> List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ >> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be >> deleted >> >> > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: [email protected] > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: [email protected] Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
