Hi :) Thanks! It looks like i often miss the T in other things to. I'm beginning to remember why i foisted this keyboard onto a rarely used machine. I might have to go and buy a new keyboard to avoid RSI. Thanks and regards from om :)
>________________________________ > From: Kieran Peckett <[email protected]> >To: Tom <[email protected]> >Cc: [email protected] >Sent: Monday, 27 May 2013, 8:56 >Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: problem with this website's security >certificate > > >Correction: it's > >[email protected] > >not > >websies@ (the t was missing) > >On 23/05/2013, Tom <[email protected]> wrote: >> Hi :) >> Has the issue been resolved well enough? IE8 was discovered to have a large >> number of extremely serious vulnerabilities around the time of the original >> posting to the extent that MS released patches outside of their usual "Patch >> Tuesday" schedule. >> >> Opera is better, faster and safer. Firefox seems to be the most popular >> web-browser at the moment. It's also faster, safer and better. Gaming >> sites report something like 80% of on-line gamers at their site use Firefox. >> Chrome is shed loads faster so i would have expected Gamers to use that >> more. Generally i would recommend having 2 web-browsers so that if the main >> one you use goes wonky then you can use the other but i have only ever had >> problems with IE. All the rest run for years without bumping into problems. >> >> >> >> However, it might be worth contacting the Websites Team, i think >> [email protected] >> to let them know about "Internet Explorer" issue. >> >> Of course MS are unhappy about the existence of LibreOffice, OpenOffice and >> the rest so my guess is that they will start to put resources into scaring >> people away from their competition. Presumably using tactics similar to the >> ones that landed them in court over issues such as "The browser wars" >> (really talking about web-browsers there, not file-browsers or any other >> sorts of browsers) or the Rtf court case. In both cases they were found >> guilty and got a slap on the wrist which they shrug off and work-around. >> >> We should put some resources into fixing simple things, such as the >> certificate, if we can but we can't jump at every little piece of FUD they >> try to throw in our path. They have a large fan-base that seem quite happy >> to spread all sorts of nonsense without MS being responsible. >> >> >> >> Bob Power wrote >>> Works ok in Opera ( but then I have no idea what the settings are there >>> )... >> >> Probably a good plan to stick with Opera. During it's court case against MS >> a lot of their resources went into the court-case. Now that is over their >> resources are going to be diverted back into developing their web-browser. >> My guess is that they might develop fast enough to over-take Firefox in the >> next few years. It's a good solid web-browser and has the advantage that >> not so many people use it. Yet. >> >> >> >> >> Bob Power wrote >>> With IE 8 ; >>> >>> StartCom is in my trusted root certification authorities list. >> >> IE 8 was compromised quite severely at around the time of the posting. MS >> tried to downplay it and suggested that the average home user or small >> office was probably safer than the nuclear research facilities that got >> affected because home users can switch on he MS Firewall. They implied that >> nuclear facilities probably can't afford a £20 router/firewall or wouldn't >> have thought of security. >> >> >> >> Bob Power wrote >>> I then checked via http://www.digicert.com/help/ ssl certificate checker >>> and it shows common name LibreOffice.org all ok etc. >>> >>> So I suppose it could be IE 8 not knowing what to do with this particular >>> type of cert - I'm going to switch to FireFox soon >> >> So the main organisations behind issuing certificates agree that the >> LibreOffice ones are legit? It's only MS that are claiming they aren't? >> >> Switching away from IE is a great idea. you will probably find you have >> less security problems and less slow-downs as a result. opera and Firefox >> are about equal. Firefox is more popular and more widely used at the moment >> but that is not necessarily a good reason to prefer it to Opera. The main >> thing is to get away from IE as much as possible. I only use it for updates >> from microsoft.com, all of which are for "security" problems with MS >> products. >> >> >> Bob Power wrote >>> Suggestions ; >>> 1. >>> For some users with old stuff like me - XP / IE 8 etc - who are the most >>> likely to be looking for alternatives to MS Office - this will be >>> off-putting ( it will scare some people ) - and LibreOffice will lose some >>> potential converts. >> >> People that stick with IE8 are going to find the internet an increasingly >> dangerous place. MS wants people to buy their new OSes and scaring them >> into it is a standard salesman tactic. There is even a name for the tactic. >> >> >> LibreOffice/OpenOffice always loses potential new users due to FUD but that >> doesn't affect TDF's or Apache's profit/loss or income/expenditure. It's >> only the users that lose out and they might have good reasons to try LO/OO >> again in a couple of years. There is no need for a hard sell or to force >> people into 'buying into' something they have been made afraid of. Let them >> find the problems with MS Office, such as huge costs and poor security, and >> eventually they will retry alternatives. >> >> >> >> Bob Power wrote >>> 2. >>> Some install notes on the help pack - I installed it but it doesn't show >>> up unless you change a setting in language settings - I found this with a >>> web search but it would be better if it was in release notes or something >>> near the download. >> >> The built-in help packs are not as good as the guides >> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications >> >> Unfortunately, due to various misunderstandings and timing issues, the >> translators teams work at their own version of the English help-packs and >> then translate that, rather than just translating the Guides. The >> Documentation Team always needs new people because people quickly become >> quite knowledgeable in there and soon lose their "noob perspective". >> Probably best to start as proof-reader or reviewer. >> >> >> >> Bob Power wrote >>> One last thing - I'm curious as to why help is over https and not just >>> http ? ( https://help.libreoffice.org/Writer/Welcome_to_the_Writer_Help ) >> >> https is more secure than http. It's still flawed but a lot less so than >> http. The extra "s" stands for secure or security. Are 'older' MS products >> making it difficult to access https and forcing people into using the less >> secure protocol? Hmmm, interesting. >> >> All the above are my own personal viewpoints and nothing to do with TDF (who >> keep threatening to remove me from these lists). >> Regards from >> Tom :) >> >> >> >> -- >> View this message in context: >> http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/problem-with-this-website-s-security-certificate-tp4056639p4057453.html >> Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> >> -- >> To unsubscribe e-mail to: [email protected] >> Problems? >> http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >> Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >> List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ >> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be >> deleted >> > >-- >To unsubscribe e-mail to: [email protected] >Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ >All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > > > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: [email protected] Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
