Thanks, Tom. Les :0 On Sat, 2013-02-23 at 12:43 +0000, Tom Davies wrote: > Hi :) > Sorry i didn't forward this to the right list earlier! Have you had any luck > solving the problems? I'm not sure if you are subscribed to the right lists > so i have made sure you are being CC'd so that you get the responses. > Apols and regards from > Tom :) > > > > > > >________________________________ > > From: les <[email protected]> > >To: Wes Will <[email protected]> > >Cc: LibreOffice User Support Mailing List <[email protected]> > >Sent: Wednesday, 20 February 2013, 17:03 > >Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Accessibility issues - BLIND USER > > > >Hi, Wes, > > There is an Braille institute in LA, just off the 101 near Universal > >City as I recall. They should be able to shed some light on these > >issues. > > Here is their EMAIL address: > > [email protected] > > > > > > Or you can contact a local institute near where you live and they might > >be able to help. > > > > There are other options in California, but I just know a bit because my > >wife had a vision impaired friend. > > > > As my own vision is failing and I have a friend whose vision is also > >failing, this topic will become more and more important to me as well. > >Screen readers suck on even their best days, but given the > >alternatives.... > > > >Good luck. > > > >LesH > >On Wed, 2013-02-20 at 01:33 -0600, Wes Will wrote: > >> Greetings. Just signed up for the list. Have NOT had the time yet to > >> get to the archives and dig for prior messages to this list regarding > >> blind users, so if this is already old news, please forgive me and drop > >> a link to the pertinent archives. > >> > >> I will assuredly be delving for this topic as soon as it is possible. > >> I'll likely wait for daylight, it is presently 0100 hours here (U.S. > >> CST) and it has been a long day. > >> > >> The problem is that I have been talking LibreOffice up to the heavens to > >> a blind friend. He is stuck in a WinBlows environment, has the > >> latest-version-but-one of the JAWS screen reader, and has been scorched > >> by M$ Turd one too many times. It -does- read through his screen > >> reader, but their "ribbon" foolishness has made the thing completely and > >> utterly useless to him. Simple things that he has always been able to > >> do with a keyboard shortcut (Ctrl-O for opening a new document for > >> instance) no longer work. One keyboard command might do one thing if a > >> certain 'ribbon component' is active, and a completely different thing > >> if another is active. He needs a reliable productivity suite, and I > >> think LibreOffice -ought- to be perfect for him. > >> > >> Except that it ISN'T. He installed it, and was greeted with SILENCE > >> from his screen reader. Keyboard commands, like that Ctrl-O, work fine. > >> It just won't read the screen to him. Nightmare time for a totally > >> blind person who just wants it to talk to him like all the other > >> applications he uses. > >> > >> So I start looking, and I find that there is a REQUIRED additional JAVA > >> API that must be installed. Roadblock ONE. It's on an Oracle site, > >> which ISN'T all that 'blind friendly' and requires license acceptance > >> via a bloody MOUSE CLICK on the web page. "MOUSE" and "BLIND" do NOT go > >> together. I can get him by that, eventually, by downloading it myself > >> (done) and sending it to him, but then it goes to roadblock TWO. The > >> API installer is NOT 'blind friendly' either, requiring that he unzip > >> the package, find the correct file for his OS, start it, and then answer > >> (BY MOUSE-CLICKS AGAIN!!) several pages of information. I cannot walk > >> him through this, as I do NOT use Microsoft ANYTHING. I cannot simply > >> do it for him - he is in California and I am in Illinois. There is a > >> 3000 kilometer gap between his keyboard and my hand. > >> > >> Is there ANY WAY that the correct API can be embedded into the > >> LibreOffice package, or put there as an option in the install process? > >> > >> I.E. start the LibreOffice install; somewhere near the beginning be > >> presented with "Add Accessibility Java Extension API to LibreOffice;" > >> select "Accept Oracle License Agreement;" Continue installation WITH the > >> added Java API automatically being unpacked and installed in the proper > >> place. > >> > >> Or even a previously-accessibility-extended-install version of the > >> LibreOffice suite installer. > >> > >> Can anyone get me past these roadblocks? I'm at a loss here, I DO think > >> that FOSS software will work well for him, but getting it to actually > >> WORK in the screen reader environment is already a messy, complicated > >> thing for a BLIND MAN. > >> > >> Are there work-arounds or things that can be done to accomplish this? > >> > >> Another thing I noticed in the documentation for accessibility: The > >> JAWS screen reader Version listed as being compatible with the (JAVA > >> Accessibility API-Enabled) LibreOffice suite was SEVEN... They are up > >> to version FOURTEEN, and he is using TWELVE. Has anyone checked these > >> out for compatibility? Again, I cannot, since it is a Win-Only > >> application. If I can get my friend in California past this whole mess, > >> I will gladly have him test it out for compatibility and report back > >> here so the documentation can be updated. > >> > >> Ideas? Links to information? Go suck an egg? What should I do here? > >> > >> -- > >> Wes Will > >> > > > > > > > > > >-- > >For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: [email protected] > >Problems? > >http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > >Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > >List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ > >All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > >deleted > > > > > > > >
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