Thanks Miguel, I was excited to try the CFF fonts from the 2nd link, but when I downloaded them I noticed they have either an .ttf.woff or an .otf.woff extension. I don't think that's compatible with Flex. I'd be interested if anyone is able to get them working somehow.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Miguel Ferreira" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 1:26:18 AM Subject: RE: blurry fonts links 1 - http://blogs.adobe.com/typblography/2013/05/adobe-contributes-cff-rasterizer-to-freetype.html 2 - http://blogs.adobe.com/typblography/2010/12/the-benefits-of-opentypecff-over-truetype.html---------------------------------------- > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: blurry fonts > Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 09:23:48 +0100 > > still about the subject here a post that i invite everyone to read, > > <a > href="http&&58;&&47;&&47;blogs.adobe.com&&47;typblography&&47;2013&&47;05&&47;adobe-contributes-cff-rasterizer-to-freetype.html" > target="_blank" > class="newlyinsertedlink">http&&58;&&47;&&47;blogs.adobe.com&&47;typblography&&47;2013&&47;05&&47;adobe-contributes-cff-rasterizer-to-freetype.html</a> > > > > also on the end we have some links to cff font type only. > > also that post have some reference to this post: "The Benefits Of > OpenType/CFF Over TrueType" > > <a > href="http&&58;&&47;&&47;blogs.adobe.com&&47;typblography&&47;2010&&47;12&&47;the-benefits-of-opentypecff-over-truetype.html" > target="_blank" > class="newlyinsertedlink">http&&58;&&47;&&47;blogs.adobe.com&&47;typblography&&47;2010&&47;12&&47;the-benefits-of-opentypecff-over-truetype.html</a> > > > another site to download cff: > <a href="http&&58;&&47;&&47;fontcache.com&&47;tag&&47;opentype-cff&&47;" > target="_blank" > class="newlyinsertedlink">http&&58;&&47;&&47;fontcache.com&&47;tag&&47;opentype-cff&&47;</a> > > > Miguel > > ---------------------------------------- > > To: [email protected] > > From: [email protected] > > Subject: RE: blurry fonts > > Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 00:02:07 +0200 > > > > But this info is really top. > > And can really make all the difference. > > And in all the post, forums or mail list is the first time that was > > mentioned and tomorrow i really want to try this > > > > Sent from my Windows Phone > > ________________________________ > > From: Alex Harui<mailto:[email protected]> > > Sent: 09.10.2013 23:39 > > To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > > Subject: RE: blurry fonts > > > > I'm not an expert in this area, but my understanding is that an OTF file > > can contain TTF or CFF data. CFF uses different curvature control points > > than TTF. If the data is in TTF format, the curves have to be converted and > > there could be fidelity issues. If the data is already in CFF format then > > you should be seeing it as good as it gets. > > > > -Alex > > ________________________________________ > > From: [email protected] [[email protected]] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2013 10:11 AM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: blurry fonts > > > > Thanks Alex, > > > > My font source file is .otf > > > > How I embed for MX: > > > > > > @font-face { > > fontFamily:arial_mx; > > src:url("Fonts/ArialUnicodeMS_Regular.otf"); > > unicodeRange: U+0020-007E, U+03A9; > > embedAsCFF: false; > > fontStyle:normal; > > fontWeight:normal; > > } > > > > How I embed for Spark: > > > > @font-face { > > fontFamily:arial_s; > > src:url("Fonts/ArialUnicodeMS_Regular.otf"); > > unicodeRange: U+0020-007E; > > embedAsCFF: true; > > fontWeight:normal; > > fontStyle:normal; > > } > > > > Doesn't the "embedAsCFF:true;" line above implement the glyph conversion > > requirement that you're referring to? > > > > Or, are you saying I need to use a source file having a .cff extension > > instead of .otf (or .ttf)? > > All the documentation I've seen just says to set the embedAsCFF switch as > > above. For example: > > > > http://help.adobe.com/en_US/flex/using/WS2db454920e96a9e51e63e3d11c0bf69084-7f5f.html > > > > > > Let me know if I'm missing something. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Alex Harui" <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 9, 2013 9:51:11 AM > > Subject: RE: blurry fonts > > > > It occurs to me that the issue may be in the transcoding of the font. The > > Spark components use the underlying flash.text.engine classes which use CFF > > fonts. If you are embedding TTF, then I believe a glyph conversion has to > > happen. It may be that if you can find a font file that has its glyphs > > encoded as CFF it will look better. > > > > -Alex > > ________________________________________ > > From: [email protected] [[email protected]] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2013 9:45 AM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: blurry fonts > > > > I just wanted to solicit from other Flex users which specific fonts > > successfully embed without being blurry. > > > > I've tried embedding all the Helvetica and Arial fonts installed on my Mac > > and they look blurry compared to the non-embedded versions in the same app. > > The embedded fonts for spark are short and fat and for MX are tall and > > skinny. > > > > Ideally, someone could refer me to a Helvetica/Arial font that they know > > embeds fine. However, assuming I don't get that feedback and I need to find > > a new font, I'm hoping anyone with good embed results can share their > > favorite font (for Enterprise desktop applications, in my case) to benefit > > all users. > > > > Someone mentioned earlier Google Roboto, which I'll try out soon. For > > reference below, Miguel mentions OpenSans, and Mihai mentions Myriad Pro. > > > > Thanks in advance for any feedback. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Miguel Ferreira" <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2013 2:52:38 AM > > Subject: RE: blurry fonts > > > > Hi all thank you for all the information. > > > > I was out and just today i came back to the office. > > > > So, i will write a resume of my working solution. > > > > Font: OpenSans link:<a > > href="http&&58;&&47;&&47;www.google.com&&47;fonts&&47;specimen&&47;Open&&43;Sans" > > target="_blank" > > class="newlyinsertedlink">http&&58;&&47;&&47;www.google.com&&47;fonts&&47;specimen&&47;Open&&43;Sans</a> > > > > > > on the global css turned off the kerning: > > > > global > > { > > kerning: off; > > fontFamily: main; > > fontSize: 11; > > } > > > > how the fonts are embebed: > > > > @font-face > > { > > src: url("assets/fonts/OpenSans-Regular.ttf"); > > fontFamily: AppFont; > > fontStyle: normal; > > fontWeight: normal; > > embedAsCFF: true; > > } > > > > @font-face > > { > > src: url("assets/fonts/OpenSans-Italic.ttf"); > > fontFamily: AppFont; > > fontStyle: italic; > > fontWeight: normal; > > embedAsCFF: true; > > } > > ... > > > > @Alex: Thanks for the info about the playerglobal. > > i tried with the version 10.2 when it worked well,but when i tried the > > configuration above and the result was also good in the version 11.8 i > > choose for the last version. > > > > In this moment i will have to change components to spark like forms, > > datagrid, images, spacers, etc... > > And for the next release is +1 application on Apache Flex SDK 4.10! > > > > Thanks for all that help and that maintain the community alive! > > > > Best regards, > > Miguel > > > > > > > >> From: [email protected] > >> Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2013 19:52:01 +0100 > >> Subject: Re: blurry fonts > >> To: [email protected] > >> > >> The way I did it was to edit the font file directly using Type > >> Light<http://www.cr8software.net/typelight.html>. > >> I went into Font->Font Options..., deselected Kerning and saved it on top > >> of the original font file. With this treatment, the font does not trigger > >> the bug I mentioned, yet is still readable. I did not turn off kerning as > >> suggested by Maurice. I'm not even sure it would have made a difference > >> now > >> that the font did not have this information to begin with. > >> > >> If you're using another OS, I'm sure there is another good font editor > >> that > >> you can use to make this change. > >> > >> Hope it helps. > >> > >> > >> On 4 October 2013 18:43, Maurice Amsellem > >> <[email protected]>wrote: > >> > >>> Ah, ok. > >>> > >>> -----Message d'origine----- > >>> De : [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > >>> Envoyé : vendredi 4 octobre 2013 19:42 > >>> À : [email protected] > >>> Objet : Re: blurry fonts > >>> > >>> Thanks Maurice, > >>> > >>> > >>> Mihai's post below states to remove kerning to avoid a bug: > >>> > >>> > >>> However, if you're going to use it, make sure you remove the kerning > >>> information inside it until we have a resolution for this bug< > >>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-33779> . > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "Maurice Amsellem" <[email protected]> > >>> To: [email protected] > >>> Sent: Friday, October 4, 2013 10:29:42 AM > >>> Subject: RE: blurry fonts > >>> > >>> global { > >>> kerning: off; > >>> } > >>> > >>> However, usually text is more readable when kerning is on, especially for > >>> some letters combinations, eg AV and things like that. > >>> So why would you turn it off? > >>> > >>> Maurice > >>> > >>> -----Message d'origine----- > >>> De : [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > >>> Envoyé : vendredi 4 octobre 2013 19:12 > >>> À : [email protected] > >>> Objet : Re: blurry fonts > >>> > >>> I like peoples suggestions for embedded fonts that look nice. > >>> > >>> > >>> Just curious though, how does one remove the kerning? Do you need special > >>> font software to manipulate this? Or, is it done directly in the font > >>> file > >>> somehow? Or, done using actionscript code? etc. > >>> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "Mihai Chira" <[email protected]> > >>> To: [email protected] > >>> Sent: Friday, October 4, 2013 1:15:27 AM > >>> Subject: Re: blurry fonts > >>> > >>> Hey Miguel, > >>> > >>> > >>> we're using Myriad Web > >>> Pro<http://www.azfonts.net/load_font/myriadwebpro.html>with the latest > >>> version of the SDK and it looks just fine. We also make software meant > >>> for > >>> many hours' use. > >>> > >>> However, if you're going to use it, make sure you remove the kerning > >>> information inside it until we have a resolution for this bug< > >>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-33779> > >>> . > >>> > >>> > >>> Best, > >>> Mihai > >>> > >>> > >>> On 4 October 2013 08:16, Miguel Ferreira <[email protected] > >>>>wrote: > >>> > >>>> The difference is really big. > >>>> Even the colors of some item renders. > >>>> But the question for me is, that will depend of the user player? > >>>> For the older version is more redable but even so with the font opensans > >>>> the difference is smaller. > >>>> There is some font that the guy from the new renderer adivce?Because if > >>>> they say that is better they should have some study cases were they can > >>>> prove that. > >>>> So maybe they can advice on good font for a flex enterprise > >>>> application.Where the user work with it between 4 to 8 hours per day. > >>>> Because with that blurry foggy fonts will be a nightmare. > >>>> Thanks alex for be always available... almost 24/7 > >>>> Miguel > >>>>> From: [email protected] > >>>>> To: [email protected] > >>>>> Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2013 23:40:44 -0700 > >>>>> Subject: Re: blurry fonts > >>>>> > >>>>> Did you try it with an older swf version? > >>>>> > >>>>> On 10/3/13 11:08 PM, "Miguel Ferreira" <[email protected] > >>>> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>>Thank you all, > >>>>>>I am trying with another font type to see if i can have a better > >>>>>>results.Because of the "better" rendering was one of my key issues to > >>>>>>update to the last version to try to keep up with the Apache > >>> evolution, > >>>>>>but after the project manager saw the result was really hard to > >>> convince > >>>>>>him that we are on the right path following the steps and evolution of > >>>>>>Apache releases. > >>>>>>I tried OpenSans and i have a better result but on the edges if we go > >>> to > >>>>>>detail we can see that is not perfect is still a little bit foggy! > >>>>>>Another font suggestion is always welcome? > >>>>>>@tom > >>>>>>"- it took some experimenting with the various hinting options for > >>>>>>>>the font, as well as embedding a few different fonts before we > >>> found > >>>> a > >>>>>>>>combination that worked well." > >>>>>>can you tell what combinations you did that worked out? > >>>>>>Thanks,Miguel > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> From: [email protected] > >>>>>>> To: [email protected] > >>>>>>> Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2013 09:19:11 -0700 > >>>>>>> Subject: Re: blurry fonts > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I can't find the email thread, but the answer I got was that there > >>> is > >>>> no > >>>>>>> equivalent of gridFitType because the new font rendering algorithm > >>> is > >>>>>>> "better". IIRC, it is "better" because it employs some anti-aliasing > >>>>>>> algorithm on all edges, not just one ones that are unlucky enough to > >>>> not > >>>>>>> fall on pixel boundaries, and doesn't mess with inter-character > >>>> spacing. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> That said, several folks are unhappy with this algorithm. One > >>>>>>>experiment > >>>>>>> for you to try now that we have more version flexibility in Apache > >>>> Flex > >>>>>>>is > >>>>>>> to set your player/air versions back to whatever it was in 4.1 or > >>> even > >>>>>>> 4.0. That might cause the player to select an older rendering > >>>>>>>algorithm. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> HTH, > >>>>>>> -Alex > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On 10/3/13 7:24 AM, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > >>>>>>>wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>I've always had problems with embedded fonts in 4.5.1 SDK. I've > >>> tried > >>>>>>>so > >>>>>>>>much to overcome it. Seems no matter which version of Arial or > >>>>>>>Helvetica > >>>>>>>>I embed, the spark text always looks shorter and fat (e.g. blurry), > >>>> and > >>>>>>>>the mx text looks tall and skinny. The hinting options, while > >>> having > >>>> an > >>>>>>>>effect, don't seem to correct this. If anyone has settings that > >>> make > >>>> an > >>>>>>>>embedded font (Arial or Helvetica) look normal, I'd really like to > >>>> try > >>>>>>>>them. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- > >>>>>>>>From: "Tom Chiverton" <[email protected]> > >>>>>>>>To: [email protected] > >>>>>>>>Sent: Thursday, October 3, 2013 6:59:30 AM > >>>>>>>>Subject: Re: blurry fonts > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>On 03/10/2013 14:54, Miguel Ferreira wrote: > >>>>>>>>> I am finalizing a updated to my costumer from flex 4.1.0 to flex > >>>>>>>4.10.0 > >>>>>>>>>and the fonts really look horrible. > >>>>>>>>We had the same issue when migrating up from Adobe Flex 4.1 to > >>> Apache > >>>>>>>>4.x - it took some experimenting with the various hinting options > >>> for > >>>>>>>>the font, as well as embedding a few different fonts before we > >>> found > >>>> a > >>>>>>>>combination that worked well. > >>>>>>>>I'd start by stripping out any relevant styles, then add in a > >>>> specific > >>>>>>>>embeded font, then have a look at the various hinting options > >>>>>>>available. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>Tom > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > > > >
