Hi,

Wido has given a talk "How to Re-use Old Hardware with CloudStack.
Saving Money and the Environment"  in CCC 2023.
If you are interested, please watch the video on
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAJCkC00tzQ  (starts at 11:41)


-Wei

On Wed, Apr 10, 2024 at 5:49 PM R A <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> is it also problematic migrating to different CPUs of same Family? For 
> example from Epyc 9654 to Epyc 9754 ?
>
> So you recommend to make a cluster for each CPU Type ? Can you define the 
> migration peer for hosts? For example having them all one cluster but define 
> somehow that migration should be done between hosts of same CPU?
>
> BR
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Guto Veronezi <[email protected]>
> Sent: Mittwoch, 10. April 2024 00:14
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: CPU compatibility
>
> Hello Steve,
>
> For CloudStack, it does not matter if you have hosts with different 
> processors; however, this is a recommendation regarding how virtualization 
> systems work; therefore, this discussion happens aside from CloudStack.
>
> When we are dealing with different processors, we are dealing with different 
> flags, instructions, clocks, and so on. For processors of the same family, 
> but of different generations, we can level the instructions to the lowest 
> common denominator (limit the instructions to the older generation); however, 
> it starts to get tricky when we are dealing with different families. For 
> instance, if you deploy a guest VM in a host with Xeon Silver and try to 
> migrate it to a Xeon Gold, the OS of your guest, which already knows the Xeon 
> Silver instructions, might not adapt to the instructions of the new host 
> (Xeon Gold). Therefore, in these cases, you will face problems in the guest 
> VM.
>
> If you are aware of the differences between the processors and that mixing 
> different types can cause problems, then you can create a cluster mixing 
> them; however, it is not recommended.
>
> For KVM, the parameter is defined in ACS; on the other hand, for XenServer 
> and VMware this kind of setup is done in the cluster in XenServer or vCenter.
>
> It is also important to bear in mind that, even though you level the 
> instruction sets between the different processors in the host operating 
> system, you might still suffer some issues due to clock differences when you 
> migrate a VM from a faster CPU to a slower CPU and vice versa.
>
> Best regards,
> Daniel Salvador (gutoveronezi)
>
> On 09/04/2024 18:58, Wei ZHOU wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > You can use a custom cpu model which is supported by both cpu processors.
> >
> > Please refer to
> > https://docs.cloudstack.apache.org/en/latest/installguide/hypervisor/k
> > vm.html#configure-cpu-model-for-kvm-guest-optional
> >
> > -Wei
> >
> >
> > On Tuesday, April 9, 2024, S.Fuller <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> The Cloudstack Install Guide has the following statement - "All hosts
> >> within a cluster must be homogenous. The CPUs must be of the same
> >> type, count, and feature flags"
> >>
> >> Obviously this means we can't mix Intel and AMD CPUs within the same
> >> cluster. However, for a cluster with Intel CPUs, how much if any
> >> leeway is there within this statement? If I have two 20 Core Xeon
> >> Silver 4316  CPUs on one host and two 20 Core Xeon Silver 4416 CPUs
> >> in another, is that close enough? I'm looking to add capacity to an
> >> existing cluster, and am trying to figure out how "picky" Cloudstack is 
> >> about this.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Steve Fuller
> >> [email protected]
> >>

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