Hi Fred

Sorry I'm late on that. I'm back there to help you.

The closing looks weird to me. Remember that Session should be on a
single thread (the Connection can be shared across multiple threads,
but the Session should be squared to a single thread).
I suspect something weird around that.

I will try to keep a deeper look as soon as I have the ActiveMQ
releases (6.1.1 and 5.18.4) on vote.

Regards
JB

On Wed, Mar 20, 2024 at 4:34 PM Frédéric Curvat <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Thanks Matt,
> Let's continue on github, and let's use the mailing list for a recap later.
> Best,
> Fred
>
> Le mer. 20 mars 2024 à 16:21, Matt Pavlovich <[email protected]> a écrit :
>
> > Hi Frédéric-
> >
> > A sample project is a big help. First step is to tidy up the dependencies
> > and align with Jakarta-based namespace. Using ActiveMQ 6.1.0 instead is the
> > best next step.
> >
> > I opened a GH issue on your poc repo where other discussions could happen
> > with less async conversation between your code tree and this mailing list.
> >
> > Summary for future lurkers of this email thread:
> >
> > Spring Boot 3.x is based on Jakarta vs Java EE. Basically, it means you
> > need to change your POC to use:
> >
> >     import jakarta.jms. ..
> >
> > instead of
> >
> >     import javax.jms ..
> >
> > Let’s get that all cleaned up and aligned properly before looking further
> > at any other issues.
> >
> > Thanks!
> > Matt Pavlovich
> >
> > > On Mar 20, 2024, at 9:09 AM, Frédéric Curvat <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > Here is a poc : https://github.com/fcurvat/amqpoc
> > >
> > > Just start an activemq broker (5.18.3) run the class 'PocAmqApplication'
> > > spring boot app and stop it gracefully (app generate 1000 messages at
> > start
> > > / got 5 consumers with prefetch 100).
> > > Class 'ShutdownEventSource' allow to hook and stop gracefully the amq
> > > consumers.
> > >
> > > Often I get one message that is not ack (checking the amq console on
> > > http://localhost:8161/admin/queues.jsp).
> > > Sometimes it takes some time to shutdown because one consumer is still
> > > consuming for a minute or more (that's not the big issue for me, as we
> > can
> > > manage to set a bigger 'terminationGracePeriodSeconds' on kubernetes to
> > let
> > > the app stop).
> > >
> > > Best,
> > >
> > > Fred
> > >
> > > Le mar. 19 mars 2024 à 17:35, Frédéric Curvat <[email protected]> a
> > écrit :
> > >
> > >> Hi,
> > >>
> > >> I will work on setting up a simple project, for now that's tangled with
> > >> our code.
> > >>
> > >> Fred
> > >>
> > >> Le mar. 19 mars 2024 à 17:09, Matt Pavlovich <[email protected]> a
> > >> écrit :
> > >>
> > >>> Hi Frédéric-
> > >>>
> > >>> Do you have a small sample project that is able to reproduce the issue
> > >>> that you can share (preferably a simple GitHub project)?
> > >>>
> > >>> Thanks,
> > >>> Matt Pavlovich
> > >>>
> > >>>> On Mar 19, 2024, at 10:47 AM, Frédéric Curvat <[email protected]>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Hello,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Checking back on the case, i played with shutdown of consumers (and
> > not
> > >>>> using brave instrumentation).
> > >>>> With 5 consumers reading, if i close consumers, then sessions, then
> > >>>> connection, i almost always only ack on 4 messages despite 5 messages
> > >>> are
> > >>>> read.
> > >>>> I almost always get one error of this kind :
> > >>>>
> > >>>> java.lang.NullPointerException: Cannot invoke
> > "java.util.List.get(int)"
> > >>>> because "this.synchronizations" is null
> > >>>> at
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > org.apache.activemq.TransactionContext.afterRollback(TransactionContext.java:168)
> > >>>> ~[activemq-client-5.18.3.jar:5.18.3]
> > >>>> at
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > org.apache.activemq.TransactionContext.rollback(TransactionContext.java:291)
> > >>>> ~[activemq-client-5.18.3.jar:5.18.3]
> > >>>> at
> > >>> org.apache.activemq.ActiveMQSession.rollback(ActiveMQSession.java:606)
> > >>>> ~[activemq-client-5.18.3.jar:5.18.3]
> > >>>> at
> > >>>
> > org.apache.activemq.jms.pool.PooledSession.close(PooledSession.java:118)
> > >>>> ~[activemq-jms-pool-5.18.3.jar:5.18.3]
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I got the same error if close the connection first (because the
> > >>> connection
> > >>>> cleans up the sessions).
> > >>>> I wonder if that's a bug or other misusage on our side.
> > >>>> Client version is 5.18.3
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Any help / thoughts welcome :)
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Best,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Fred
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Le lun. 11 mars 2024 à 16:27, Frédéric Curvat <[email protected]> a
> > >>> écrit :
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Hello,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> More news about our issue.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> We did check again the case and i have some news :
> > >>>>> - Nothing bad in broker logs (no poison ack).
> > >>>>> - Application logs shows that issue appears on graceful shutdown of
> > the
> > >>>>> application (however not on all shutdowns)
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Our shutdown consists in calling .close() method on all
> > >>> MessageConsumers
> > >>>>> and then call .close() on all Sessions.
> > >>>>> Seems fair to do it like this but reading the javadoc seems we could
> > >>> have
> > >>>>> just called .close() on the Connection.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> We checked a couple of issues of reading :
> > >>>>> - In one case, we saw the stacktrace below, all consumers .close()
> > are
> > >>> ok
> > >>>>> but one session is failing to close properly.
> > >>>>> - In the other case, all consumers and sessions are closed without
> > >>> errors.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> ======
> > >>>>> java.lang.IndexOutOfBoundsException: Index 1 out of bounds for
> > length 1
> > >>>>> at
> > >>>>>
> > >>>
> > java.base/jdk.internal.util.Preconditions.outOfBounds(Preconditions.java:64)
> > >>>>> at
> > >>>>>
> > >>>
> > java.base/jdk.internal.util.Preconditions.outOfBoundsCheckIndex(Preconditions.java:70)
> > >>>>> at
> > >>>>>
> > >>>
> > java.base/jdk.internal.util.Preconditions.checkIndex(Preconditions.java:266)
> > >>>>> at java.base/java.util.Objects.checkIndex(Objects.java:361)
> > >>>>> at java.base/java.util.ArrayList.get(ArrayList.java:427)
> > >>>>> at
> > >>>>>
> > >>>
> > org.apache.activemq.TransactionContext.afterRollback(TransactionContext.java:168)
> > >>>>> at
> > >>>>>
> > >>>
> > org.apache.activemq.TransactionContext.rollback(TransactionContext.java:291)
> > >>>>> at
> > >>> org.apache.activemq.ActiveMQSession.rollback(ActiveMQSession.java:606)
> > >>>>> at
> > >>>>>
> > >>>
> > org.talend.ipaas.rt.amqsource.tracing.micrometer.MicrometerSession.rollback(MicrometerSession.java:102)
> > >>>>> at brave.jms.TracingSession.rollback(TracingSession.java:119)
> > >>>>> at
> > >>>
> > org.apache.activemq.jms.pool.PooledSession.close(PooledSession.java:118)
> > >>>>> at
> > >>>>>
> > >>>
> > org.talend.ipaas.rt.amqsource.impl.AMQEventSourceEngine.unregisterAllEventCallbacks(AMQEventSourceEngine.java:297)
> > >>>>> at
> > >>>>>
> > >>>
> > org.talend.ipaas.rt.amqsource.impl.AMQEventSourceEngine.unbindAll(AMQEventSourceEngine.java:203)
> > >>>>> at
> > >>>>>
> > >>>
> > org.talend.ipaas.rt.springboot.common.shutdown.ShutdownEventSource.onApplicationEvent(ShutdownEventSource.java:38)
> > >>>>> at
> > >>> java.base/jdk.internal.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke0(Native
> > >>>>> Method)
> > >>>>> at
> > >>>>>
> > >>>
> > java.base/jdk.internal.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(NativeMethodAccessorImpl.java:77)
> > >>>>> at
> > >>>>>
> > >>>
> > java.base/jdk.internal.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.java:43)
> > >>>>> at java.base/java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Method.java:568)
> > >>>>> at
> > >>>>>
> > >>>
> > org.springframework.context.event.ApplicationListenerMethodAdapter.doInvoke(ApplicationListenerMethodAdapter.java:343)
> > >>>>> at
> > >>>>>
> > >>>
> > org.springframework.context.event.ApplicationListenerMethodAdapter.processEvent(ApplicationListenerMethodAdapter.java:228)
> > >>>>> at
> > >>>>>
> > >>>
> > org.springframework.context.event.ApplicationListenerMethodAdapter.onApplicationEvent(ApplicationListenerMethodAdapter.java:165)
> > >>>>> at
> > >>>>>
> > >>>
> > org.springframework.context.event.SimpleApplicationEventMulticaster.doInvokeListener(SimpleApplicationEventMulticaster.java:172)
> > >>>>> at
> > >>>>>
> > >>>
> > org.springframework.context.event.SimpleApplicationEventMulticaster.invokeListener(SimpleApplicationEventMulticaster.java:165)
> > >>>>> at
> > >>>>>
> > >>>
> > org.springframework.context.event.SimpleApplicationEventMulticaster.multicastEvent(SimpleApplicationEventMulticaster.java:143)
> > >>>>> at
> > >>>>>
> > >>>
> > org.springframework.context.support.AbstractApplicationContext.publishEvent(AbstractApplicationContext.java:437)
> > >>>>> at
> > >>>>>
> > >>>
> > org.springframework.context.support.AbstractApplicationContext.publishEvent(AbstractApplicationContext.java:370)
> > >>>>> at
> > >>>>>
> > >>>
> > org.springframework.context.support.AbstractApplicationContext.doClose(AbstractApplicationContext.java:1058)
> > >>>>> at
> > >>>>>
> > >>>
> > org.springframework.boot.web.servlet.context.ServletWebServerApplicationContext.doClose(ServletWebServerApplicationContext.java:173)
> > >>>>> at
> > >>>>>
> > >>>
> > org.springframework.context.support.AbstractApplicationContext.close(AbstractApplicationContext.java:1026)
> > >>>>> at
> > >>>>>
> > >>>
> > org.springframework.boot.SpringApplicationShutdownHook.closeAndWait(SpringApplicationShutdownHook.java:139)
> > >>>>> at java.base/java.lang.Iterable.forEach(Iterable.java:75)
> > >>>>> at
> > >>>>>
> > >>>
> > org.springframework.boot.SpringApplicationShutdownHook.run(SpringApplicationShutdownHook.java:108)
> > >>>>> at java.base/java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:833)
> > >>>>> ====
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> More specifically
> > >>>>>> at
> > >>>>>
> > >>>
> > org.apache.activemq.TransactionContext.afterRollback(TransactionContext.java:168)
> > >>>>>> at
> > >>>>>
> > >>>
> > org.apache.activemq.TransactionContext.rollback(TransactionContext.java:291)
> > >>>>>> at
> > >>> org.apache.activemq.ActiveMQSession.rollback(ActiveMQSession.java:606)
> > >>>>>> at
> > >>>>>
> > >>>
> > org.talend.ipaas.rt.amqsource.tracing.micrometer.MicrometerSession.rollback(MicrometerSession.java:102)
> > >>>>>> at brave.jms.TracingSession.rollback(TracingSession.java:119)
> > >>>>>> at
> > >>>>>
> > >>>
> > org.apache.activemq.jms.pool.PooledSession.close(PooledSession.java:118)
> > >>>>> I wonder if that's not the brave implementation that triggers the
> > >>> rollback
> > >>>>> of the message reading. That would explain that the message is
> > finally
> > >>> read
> > >>>>> by another consumer.
> > >>>>> I don't know if there is a regression there in brave tracing (or if
> > it
> > >>> is
> > >>>>> silently failling for some time), but we are using this tracing for
> > >>> quite
> > >>>>> some time (and we are not idempotent if replaying the message).
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> We will dig on the possible brave changes, but still any comment or
> > >>>>> thoughts are welcome.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Best,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Fred
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Le lun. 4 mars 2024 à 10:04, Frédéric Curvat <[email protected]> a
> > >>> écrit :
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> Hello JB !
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Hope you are well !
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> 1. The message goes in redelivery (because it expired or client
> > >>>>>>> rollback transaction) and so it can be taken by another consumer.
> > As
> > >>>>>>> you use session_transacted, the "first" client has to deal with the
> > >>>>>>> rollback
> > >>>>>> For me that was not so likely because the message are read with a 1
> > >>>>>> second interval on two different service pods. How could i confirm
> > >>> that ?
> > >>>>>> Also logging the messageId would help right ?
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> 2. Do you see "poison ack" in the log ?
> > >>>>>> No trace in logs but we will double check.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Oh by the way, what's your consumer prefetch ? I guess it's more
> > >>> than 1 ?
> > >>>>>> Yes, we use prefetch to 100 (over tcp openwire).
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Thanks for support ! i am off this week but probably i will ping you
> > >>>>>> directly in coming weeks since you proposed it.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Best,
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Fred
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Le lun. 4 mars 2024 à 07:28, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <[email protected]>
> > a
> > >>>>>> écrit :
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Oh by the way, what's your consumer prefetch ? I guess it's more
> > >>> than 1 ?
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Regards
> > >>>>>>> JB
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 1, 2024 at 4:52 PM Frédéric Curvat <[email protected]>
> > >>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Hello !
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> At my company we are using Apache ActiveMQ 5.18.3.
> > >>>>>>>> We suspect that in some rare cases, a queue message is read twice
> > by
> > >>>>>>>> different consumers.
> > >>>>>>>> For more context :
> > >>>>>>>> - broker is classic primary/secondary (secondary started but not
> > >>>>>>> active -
> > >>>>>>>> not a network of brokers).
> > >>>>>>>> - we are using persisted queues with PostgreSQL backend.
> > >>>>>>>> - A single queue is being read by several consumers : 10 consumers
> > >>> for
> > >>>>>>> a
> > >>>>>>>> single java app deployed in HA other several k8s pods.
> > >>>>>>>> - We use SESSION_TRANSACTED session for either consumers and
> > >>> producers.
> > >>>>>>>> - We use PooledConnectionFactory with 1 connection,
> > >>>>>>>> maximumActiveSessionPerConnection 500, expiryTimeout 10000
> > >>>>>>>> We see no transaction or other error in logs, either service of
> > >>>>>>> activemq
> > >>>>>>>> broker at the time of the "double read".
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Has something like this already been seen ? Can it be a bug or a
> > >>>>>>>> misconfiguration somewhere ?
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Best,
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Fred
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> >
> >

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