Thanks!  That does it.



[rg] <https://www.redpointglobal.com/>

John Lilley

Data Management Chief Architect, Redpoint Global Inc.

888 Worcester Street, Suite 200 Wellesley, MA 02482

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From: Justin Bertram <jbert...@apache.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2023 12:05 AM
To: users@activemq.apache.org
Subject: Re: Messages accumulating in management queue

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Thanks for the project. I was able to reproduce the problem and identify the 
root cause of the message accumulation. In short, your application is not 
acknowledging the messages it receives when invoking ClientRequestor.request().

When using the core protocol messages must always be explicitly acknowledged. 
Whether or not those acknowledgements are committed automatically depends on 
how the session is created. In your case you're creating a JMS session using 
the AUTO_ACKNOWLEDGE mode which means the underlying core session has 
autoCommitAcks = true. This isn't obvious since you're starting with a JMS 
implementation object and acquiring the core object from it. It would probably 
be more clear if you just used the core API for everything or the JMS API for 
everything.

Lastly, if performance really isn't important then it may be simpler to 
eliminate the lock and the object caching and just create the session, etc. 
anytime you need to make a request. Simpler code is easier to write initially 
as well as debug and maintain in the long run. Developer productivity is worth 
a lot so it's worth considering.


Justin

On Mon, Jan 16, 2023 at 11:57 AM John Lilley 
<john.lil...@redpointglobal.com.invalid<mailto:john.lil...@redpointglobal.com.invalid>>
 wrote:
Justin,

Link to sample project:
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Any of the three amqUtils.* calls in the main() loop will induce the leakage.   
I have not figured out where the second queue in our production comes from, but 
that isn’t critical right now.

Everything serializes through a single lock object, so I don’t think I have any 
thread-safety issues.  Performance is not important.

Thanks
John




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John Lilley

Data Management Chief Architect, Redpoint Global Inc.

888 Worcester Street, Suite 200 Wellesley, MA 02482

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From: Justin Bertram <jbert...@apache.org<mailto:jbert...@apache.org>>
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2023 10:31 AM
To: users@activemq.apache.org<mailto:users@activemq.apache.org>
Subject: Re: Messages accumulating in management queue

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> Is ClientRequestor cheap to make each time?

It's relatively cheap, but of course just about anything can be done enough to 
become expensive over time. Also, a ClientRequestor is not thread-safe so a 
single instance may be a bottleneck in your application. I don't know what your 
performance requirements are, how often you're making these calls, etc. so it's 
hard to provide any specific recommendations.

> One of my colleagues found that occasionally closing and re-creating the 
> ClientRequestor avoids this problem, but I’d like to know why.

I can't rightly say why you're seeing messages build up at this point. The 
screenshot shows that there's a consumer on both queues. Perhaps these 
consumers are no longer acknowledging the messages they receive. You say you're 
only using a single ClientRequestor instance but there's two queues which 
indicates two ClientRequestor instances working concurrently so perhaps you're 
leaking ClientRequestors at some point.

Do you have a way to reproduce this? If so, could you create a reproducible 
test-case which I could use to see the same behavior?


Justin

On Mon, Jan 16, 2023 at 10:55 AM John Lilley 
<john.lil...@redpointglobal.com.invalid<mailto:john.lil...@redpointglobal.com.invalid>>
 wrote:
We do keep a singleton ClientRequestor around forever.  Perhaps this is just 
wrong?  Is ClientRequestor cheap to make each time?

One of my colleagues found that occasionally closing and re-creating the 
ClientRequestor avoids this problem, but I’d like to know why.

I think you can see that image here:
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john




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John Lilley 
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Data Management Chief Architect, Redpoint Global Inc. 
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888 Worcester Street, Suite 200 Wellesley, MA 02482 
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From: Justin Bertram <jbert...@apache.org>
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2023 9:48 AM
To: users@activemq.apache.org
Subject: Re: Messages accumulating in management 
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> I don’t know if that image comes through the mailing 
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I can't see your image. For what it's worth, attachments don't usually make it 
through the 
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Could you upload the image to another location and provide a 
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Also, could you provide the full stack-trace of the 
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I don't see in your code where you're actually closing the ClientRequestor so 
that might be a problem. Without more details it's impossible to 
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Justin<https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwww.redpointglobal.com%2f&c=E,1,vfQKtAcb52qTSJksDEbpSPPMH35oLMHbFHh03U5Yjymdi6_74sLsjOSkxSqYP1iE7FxcrLU9BjLO5yYbNQBwawQCxa6TY2UFcPEWp1xShdsR&typo=1>
 
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On Mon, Jan 16, 2023 at 10:31 AM John Lilley 
<john.lil...@redpointglobal.com.invalid> 
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We are using the Artemis queue-based management APIs, and noticed that one of 
the two management queues that appears in the console starts to grow without 
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I don’t know if that image comes through the mailing list, but it shows two of 
the xn--activemq-2p3d.management<UUID>”  queues, and one of the counts is in 
the 100s.  It just keeps growing and growing by about 300 per 
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I’ve tried to browse this queue on the management console, but the browse() 
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java.lang.NullPointerException : Cannot invoke 
"org.apache.activemq.artemis.core.paging.cursor.PageSubscription.iterator(boolean)"
 because "this.this$0.pageSubscription" is 
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ManagementHelper.putAttribute(request, resourceName, attributeName);
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ClientMessage request = clientSession.createMessage(false);
ManagementHelper.putAttribute(request, resourceName, attributeName);
ClientMessage reply = client.request(request);
if (ManagementHelper.hasOperationSucceeded(reply)) {
       for (var value : (Object[])ManagementHelper.getResult(reply, 
Object.class)) {
              result.add(value.toString());
       
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Any idea what we are doing 
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