Do you think I should rely on "SENDING: Response ..." line as the broker's 
guarantee or should I enable producer flow control and trace ProducerAcks?

I thought producer flow control was more to do with "resource management" and 
broker would always send some sort of persistence guarantee even producer flow 
control is disabled. Is this accurate?

Thanks for all this info Gary.

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Tully [mailto:gary.tu...@gmail.com]
Sent: 27 June 2011 15:45
To: users@activemq.apache.org
Subject: Re: Tracing Broker to Producer Acks

great.
One thought, it may be that the network connector is not requesting a sync 
send. It trys to respect the original client but in the case of a transacted 
client this may be a problem as messages are send async and batched at commit 
time.

Using a client side connection url parameter, jms.alwaysSyncSend=true would 
help validate  if this is part of the problem as it would ensure each send is 
sync from the client.

On 27 June 2011 15:03, Ozan Seymen <ozan.sey...@tdpg.com> wrote:
> I am just interested in understanding when the broker assumed responsibility 
> for a specific message. I will use this trace information to go in a bit 
> deeper in my tests where I am loosing messages in some scenarios - like 
> http://activemq.2283324.n4.nabble.com/Message-loss-in-network-of-brokers-transactional-send-td3588714.html#a3602343.
>
> So basically I will repeat my tests with trace=true, pointpoint the exact 
> location where the message is dropped and try to understand whether broker is 
> killed before it assumed responsibility for it or not. If it hasn't assumed 
> responsibility, then I will need to do something on the client code to trap 
> that case (no need for a JIRA!).
>
> PS: These messages are all persistent and should not be lost. That's why I am 
> trying to trace "I've safely stored your message" response from broker to 
> producer.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gary Tully [mailto:gary.tu...@gmail.com]
> Sent: 27 June 2011 14:42
> To: users@activemq.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Tracing Broker to Producer Acks
>
> That is a response to the send request with responseRequired=true, note the 
> correlationId = 13 which corresponds to the RECEIVED commandId=13.
> So it confirms the receipt/store of the message.
>
> A producerAck, used for flow control would be a separate request. Is that 
> what you are interested in, producer flow control ?
>
> On 27 June 2011 14:24, Ozan Seymen <ozan.sey...@tdpg.com> wrote:
>> Thanks for this Gary.
>>
>> Is it possible to quickly confirm whether the line starting with "SENDING" 
>> is the ack returned from broker to the producer please?
>>
>> 2011-06-27 14:15:33,352 | DEBUG | RECEIVED: ActiveMQTextMessage
>> {commandId = 13, responseRequired = true, messageId =
>> ID:HAM-NB-073-58760-634447809330389070-1:0:1:1:10,
>>
>> 2011-06-27 14:15:33,354 | DEBUG | DB.DC1 toPageIn: 200, Inflight: 0,
>> pagedInMessages.size 0, enqueueCount: 20, dequeueCount: 0 |
>> org.apache.activemq.broker.region.Queue | Queue:DB.DC1
>>
>> 2011-06-27 14:15:33,356 | DEBUG | SI.DC1 toPageIn: 200, Inflight: 0,
>> pagedInMessages.size 0, enqueueCount: 20, dequeueCount: 0 |
>> org.apache.activemq.broker.region.Queue | Queue:SI.DC1
>>
>> 2011-06-27 14:15:33,359 | DEBUG | Q.OUT.ToDC2.DC1 toPageIn: 190,
>> Inflight: 0, pagedInMessages.size 0, enqueueCount: 20, dequeueCount:
>> 0
>> | org.apache.activemq.broker.region.Queue | Queue:Q.OUT.ToDC2.DC1
>>
>> 2011-06-27 14:15:33,359 | DEBUG | SENDING: Response {commandId = 0,
>> responseRequired = false, correlationId = 13} |
>> org.apache.activemq.transport.TransportLogger.Connection:2 | ActiveMQ
>> Transport: tcp:///0:0:0:0:0:0:0:1:58759
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Gary Tully [mailto:gary.tu...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: 23 June 2011 17:45
>> To: users@activemq.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: Tracing Broker to Producer Acks
>>
>> use trace=true on the brokerURL to see all commands, including the 
>> producerAck from the broker.
>> see: http://activemq.apache.org/tcp-transport-reference.html
>>
>> On 17 June 2011 11:35, Ozan Seymen <ozan.sey...@tdpg.com> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Is there any way for me to trace acks sent from broker to producer? Are 
>>> there any configuration settings that I can set in log4j.properties?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Ozan
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