I believe it's a combination of both. Coding in ruby changes the way you think about problem solving. It really does. Of course, I'm sure we all said the same thing about Java when we first picked it up ;)

Given a specific problem to tackle, I could easily write the same number of lines of ruby as I would in Java if I chose to. If I continue to "think in Java", my ruby code will look (structurally) like Java. That's actually a natural progression that people will make as they learn to "think in Ruby". There are so many more ways to reduce your code in Ruby than in Java, without taking away or hiding what you intended to do. It really takes me aback sometimes, almost to the point of disbelief. I struggle getting to optimal code structure because I'm so used to being verbose with Java.

Sorry, I'm not trying to push Ruby on you guys, I just want to be honest about my experience.



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James Mitchell
The Ruby Roundup
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On Mar 19, 2007, at 6:53 PM, Ted Husted wrote:

On 3/19/07, James Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
If you ever do get the Agile Web Development with Rails book or pdf
and build the Depot app along with the book, you'll be asking
yourself why anyone does anything other than Rails. You've been warned!

Do you credit Rails with that, or that Ruby is not verbose, so that
there are fewer lines of code?

-Ted.

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