Dakota Jack wrote:
Bart, if you don't think there is a problem, move on. There is nothing here
for you. I can only imagine that your involvement in Struts is at the level
of playing, if this is your attitude. I have left tinker toys behind and am
trying to deliver to real world problems.
and again with the pointless insulting. I am not playing with toys, I'm
tackelling cutting edge problems that are good enough to get published
in journals. But if it makes you feel better to think of me as a pleb
who's not doing anything useful then by all means carry on, it doesn't
bother me. In fact your posts give me a great laugh.
I hardly think that "everyone" on a project that failed would be clamoring
to support a discussion of their failure. That would happen on a project
that succeeded. People that succeed tend to like to look at their work and
to learn from failures. People that fail hate it. So, your reasoning is
quite skewed. Of course, it is obvious that you have no intention of
reasoning.
Sigh .... you missed my point there. Obviously the developers would not
be queuing up to insult themselves (also, with yourself and Jon around
there would be no need for them to insult themselves, yee are great at
it). However, if they had really made such a mess of it don't you think
that vast numbers of annoyed users would be posting here agreeing with
your self and Jon? You'll notice of course that that is not the case. We
can all draw our own conclusions from that fact. Me, personally, I draw
the conclusion that people are not voicing their agreement because they
don't agree.
I am just trying to keep the dialogue going long enough to get a message
across that it is okay and even good to discuss difficulties. This is a
very valuable thing to learn in work, as well in life, Bart. I recommend
it.
Do you get that?
Yup, I also have an understanding of concepts like spamming and trolling
which you appear to be lacking in. Also good skills to develope for both
life in general and work.
Regards,
Bart.
On 4/1/06, Bart Busschots <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Right,
You assume that Struts 1 was a disaster and was messed up. Not all of us
agree with you. I for one don't. If you look at it from my point of view
and that of the others who agree with me there is no big burning
question to be answered because there was no massive cockup. If everyone
agreed with you this list would be full of people clamouring to support
you in your just cause. It doesn't appear to be so I would guess you are
in the minority.
Bart.
Dakota Jack wrote:
Do you think there is any value in letting a situtation which led to the
problem go by without lessons learned, Paul? Do you think just because
the
people who coded the hairball are not talking about it we should just let
it
drop and believe that they won't do the same thing with WebWorks? Is
that
what you think? You do seem to get the fact that there is a real,
unaddressed problem. I don't think we need you to tell us when we should
stop talking. If you don't get it, then move on. Noone is holding your
nose to this grindstone. I am amazed when people are concerned that
others
are addressing an issue. What is with that? If you are tired of talking
we
should stop? That is a very odd way to think.
On 3/29/06, Paul Benedict <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
This topic has become stale, in my opinion, and I do not understand
why people continue to participate in it. When people attempt to have
a successful discussion, there is usually a goal to attain, but I am
unable to discern what serious goal there is in telling the commiters
they
are, in so many words, lousy, a failure, makers of bad products, the
fathers of stagnation, betrayers of their foundation, etc. :-)
Discussions can be alot of fun and productive and bear good fruit,
but discussions, like fruit, also wither after a season.... and I think
the season is well underway for all the participants to just accept
that you've been heard, not everyone will agree, and finger-pointing
isn't productive. -- Paul
--- Al Eridani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 3/29/06, Bart Busschots <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Right, as I see it this all boils down to Jon whinning that the struts
guys are adopting WebWorks for the basis of struts 2 rather than
Struts
1.X.
And you see it wrongly. Either you came late into this and could not be
bothered to check the archives or your attention span is so short that
you have forgotten already.
It all started when some Struts committers described their relatively
closed
environment (limiting who could contribute) and Jonathan wondered
aloud whether that lack of openness had been a contributing factor to
Struts decline.
The question was never addressed because, in the inmortal words of one
of the defenders of the faith, "the question is invalid".
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