Dakota Jack wrote:
Unless you had different logic books in school than I did, Craig,
"including" does not mean "excluding all else". I am here to communicate
with other developers that are using STruts for their own applications and
part of that is the concern about how the development process here has been
failing. That is critical to people who use Struts. I am sorry if it
implicates that people, like yourself, who were in charge of the failure.
But, do you really think that learning something at this stage of your
career is impossible when things don't work out? I would think that your
great success would give you more room for criticism than that.
The issue of the question being off-topic to struts-user is a red
herring. Many of Craig's posts have been off-topic by the same
criterion. Moreover, Craig has now said clearly that he won't address
the question on struts-dev either. What is quite amazing is that he
recognizes that the question is legitimate (I suppose he has to, what is
illegitimate about it?) but then says that he won't answer it because
I'm such a bad guy. Blatant recourse to the ad-hominem fallacy.
Initially, I was going to take the next logical step in cornering this
guy: "If you won't answer the question when I ask it, what about if
someone else asks the question, will you answer it then?" And so on...
But I think it's over. He has simply admitted that he won't answer the
question. As for the possibility of somebody else asking the question,
you can see where this leads, given the culture here:
The mere fact that someone poses this taboo question will tar that
person as being unworthy, and thus, will absolve Craig of any need to
answer it. So the question never gets addressed. QED. Of course,
everybody intuits this so the question not only doesn't get answered, it
doesn't get asked in the first place, since people don't want to end up
being pariahs. (I am a special case because I just don't care. :-))
Earlier in this whole discussion, people were trotting out some
darwinian analogy of survival of the fittest in technologies. The
problem with this darwinian analogy that technologies do not generally
compete on a level playing field. Some of them have huge
placement/visibility advantages. Struts, for example, even though the
Struts developers themselves accept that Webwork is better technology,
has more users than Webwork. In general, superior technologies do not
triumph in the marketplace, but rather "more or less good enough"
technologies that have placement advantages win out.
If competition did just happen on a level playing field, and we had a
darwininian situation, a project and community with this culture would
go the way of the dodo bird. (Probably the mechanism would be that it
would generate fairly little technically and lots of BS and ultimately
suffocate in its own excrement.)
I find it disturbing that a dysfunctional community can absorb one that
has produced cutting edge work (Webwork in this case) and actually be
"mentoring" them in adopting the so-called "Apache Way".
Without this Webwork merger, people disgusted by what they see here
could at least go use Webwork, which is something technically superior
with the same basic approach. But Webwork has now been swallowed by
Struts in a very anti-darwinian "survival of the lamest" sort of mechanism.
I find this quite troubling.
Jonathan Revusky
--
lead developer, FreeMarker project, http://freemarker.org/
FreeMarker group blog, http://freemarker.blogspot.com/
On 3/25/06, Craig McClanahan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 3/25/06, Jonathan Revusky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
The question is, at the very least, broadly on-topic.
This interpretation is wildly out of sync with the formal description of
this mailing list's purpose[1], quoted below:
Subscribe to this list to communicate with other developers
that are using Struts for their own applications, including
questions about the installation of Struts, and the usage
of particular Struts features.
Jonathan Revusky
Craig
[1] http://struts.apache.org/mail.html
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"You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it float on its back."
~Dakota Jack~
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