Good god, Steve.  You think that the very idea that a JSF
implementation could become Struts 2.0 is not a huge proof that
everything you just said is not goofy?  Maybe we could suggest that
Java become C?

On 3/17/06, Steve Raeburn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Frank W. Zammetti wrote:
> > I was *going* to say that the difference is that when the project
> > started it was me and me alone, and that isn't the case any more.
> > There are two other committers, and we have project bylaws that
> > effectively gives them the ability to do things even if I 100%
> > disagree.  I started out with complete control, and right now I
> > essentially have none, and I must follow the will of the leadership.
> > Ultimately, we are accountable to the community insofar as if we do a
> > bad job, there will be *no* community :)
> And that's *exactly* how the Struts project works. It was started by one
> person, then a few more joined and now they collectively make decisions.
> Even if the founder of the project disagrees.
>
> Some people seem to look at Shale being part of the Struts project as a
> sign that one person controls the project and always gets his own way.
> In fact, that is the complete opposite of the truth. That Shale is now a
> Struts sub-project was a result of a disagreement between committers
> over the future of Struts and what should become Struts 2.0. IMHO that
> disagreement was handled in a very mature, thoughtful way which resulted
> in Shale becoming a subproject and a peer to Struts Action, rather than
> replacing it. The jury's still out on which will become more widely
> used, but that's not really the point. Both can happily co-exist here
> and one does not have to fail for the other to succeed.
>
> So, there *is* healthy disagreement, non-committers *are* listened to
> during the discussion and then a decision is made and we move on.
> Sometimes ;-)
>
> Steve
>
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