I know *many* people who have and are coming to the same conclusion as your unnamed guru.

HOWEVER, to be fair about it, there are just as many people with exactly the opposite opinion. I don't think the final chapter in the "will JSF succeed or fail" book has been written yet, and there doesn't seem to be a consensus on where it stands right now.

Vendors and boosters will tell you its an unqualified success, but I for one am not hearing the same thing from the people that have to actually use it and decide between it and the alternatives. Just the opposite in my experience. Now, maybe my contact network is limited and not giving me an accurate picture. Then again, maybe it is giving me a PERFECTLY accurate picture. I don't know which it is.

Doesn't really matter. JSF is an ALTERNATIVE. As such, I'm glad it's around. Whether it's ever the de facto standard in Java web development or not, it's fleshing out new ideas. That in and of itself has got to be viewed as a positive. You won't catch me jumping on the bandwagon any time soon, but nor will I bid it a premature goodbye. I'll wait and see, even though it's been this way for a while now.

Frank

Hey Nony Moose wrote:
Paul Benedict wrote:

... I am truly happy WebWork is becoming Struts 2.0 because the action framework, imo, is the only product that deserves the name "Struts" -- and Shale should leave the repository for its own pastures. I can't escape my perception of what Shale is (marketing campaign for JSF) and so I don't think I'll be leaving my opinion behind soon.

now I'm certainly a nobody in the programming world, but I was talking
with a somebody a few days ago (local j2ee guru, lead coder for some
open source apps too - and no I'm not going to name him - that's his
privacy respected - it was personal advice).   i mentioned that i was
using traditional struts and that perhaps i should get into jsf/shale,
and he remarked "no, stick with core struts. in fact, if you can, move
over to using the v2 / webwork version.  jsf is not gaining momentum."
gosh, now i'm both breaking the "cite your sources" maxim, and backing
up some Dakota Jack leads (and I use an anon id!) ... this could get ugly!
Moose on the Loose in the Hoose


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