Still rockin' the 14.4? ;)
"Martin Gainty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 10/14/2005 08:11 AM Please respond to "Struts Users Mailing List" <user@struts.apache.org> To <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Michael Jouravlev" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cc "Struts Users Mailing List" <user@struts.apache.org> Subject Re: [OT] Struts + AJAX Trumps JSF Frank/Michael Personally whenever I see a Flash site I always elect 'html' simply because I dont have the time to wait for stream to load to my browser client..Its a bandwidth issue..*any* technology which attenuates the content to minimum bandwidth of the underlying transport will succeed (viz a viz Ajax..) Just my 2 cents, Martin- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Jouravlev" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <user@struts.apache.org>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 2:44 AM Subject: Re: [OT] Struts + AJAX Trumps JSF On 10/13/05, Frank W. Zammetti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It's not going to kill Flash because, when used properly, Flash is > fantastic and different from anything else out there. Just as a silly > example: how am I going to a StrongBad eMail in Ajax? A lot of people > hate Flash, but I think that comes from people misusing it... Well, maybe. But it is slow, slow, slow. And, I already have windowing system in my OS, why do I need another one? I thought that with webapps now I don't have to move windows over screen and click on tiny [x] buttons. Avalon - that is the real thing. Flash is just something to fill the void before Avalon kicks in ;-) > you can't do an RIA without client-side scripting (at least, I can't see > how you could). Be that as it may, those that still cling to that old > mentality won't be touching Ajax. Some nice scripting without Ajax, just Javascript and CSS: http://www.themaninblue.com/writing/perspective/2005/10/05/form/form4.htm I wish Struts Validator could be that cool :-) > So no, I don't think Ajax is the great savior or anything, nor is it the > future of web development in and of itself. How I think it will be > remembered though is in showing that RIAs are viable and that the real > paradigm shift isn't Ajax itself, but is the underlying architectures it > fosters, the new way of thinking about web-based applications. Please, don't throw out the baby with the bath water. I still think that idea of hyperlinked documents is a nice one. The possibility to print any page is nice. The possibility to change font size, colors, style and even formatting is nice. Zero footprint and installation is nice. Web apps are not a step backward to character terminals, they are... a sidestep, if you will. I don't want to go back to windowed apps like Swing over JNLP, I had my share of Borland C++, MCVC 4 and 5, Delphi and even PowerBuilder. I mean, both types of apps have pros and cons, and I believe that "traditional" web app will survive. Michael. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
