On 8/25/05, David G. Friedman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Kaleb, > > Your point might be true and I wouldn't mind that > as long as it goes somewhere more appropriate. I > recommended MyFaces, rather than a to level project > because MyFaces claims to have a core that can be a > drop-in replacement for Sun's JSF RI (someday) and > Shale cannot run without a JSF core. If you take > away both the Clay and Tiles add-ons, you could still > do a chunk of that functionality with Facelets and > SiteMesh but take away JSF and Shale cannot run. >
Communities of interest don't always follow neat engineering architectural diagrams. The community of interest here (and the one that led to the Struts PMC accepting Shale) is web application frameworks. That kind of common interest doesn't exist in the MyFaces community at this point (although I'm sure they would consider "depends on JSF" as a suitable common interest :-), and other web framework oriented communities dislike JSF in various degrees of intensity. But the Struts community is being more progressive, and understands that technologies evolve. It's better for Struts to stay closely connected to at least one of those evolution paths. If you don't like the Shale "noise", imagine how I feel after five years of the same questions over and over again about form beans :-). Craig > Regards, > David > > P.S. I picked the one night Craig wasn't around to > post this opinion? *shock* > > -----Original Message----- > From: Walton, Kaleb (ISS Southfield) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 7:32 AM > To: Struts Users Mailing List > Subject: RE: Shale/JSF/Java posts > > > I'd have to respectfully disagree - it doesn't belong as a subproject > under MyFaces as it encapsulates and integrates MyFaces along with other > prominent frameworks. If anything it will eventually deserve its own > Apache project. > > Regards, > Kaleb > > -----Original Message----- > From: David G. Friedman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 5:34 PM > To: Struts Users Mailing List > Subject: RE: Shale/JSF/Java posts > > From: Craig McClanahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > I just need to clarify one detail ... Shale is a Struts sub-project, > > so such questions *are* on topic for this list. Prefixing the subject > > > with "[shale]" is certainly appropriate, just like prefixing a Tiles > > question with [tiles] would be. > > Although I'm interested in Shale and JSF (MyFaces), I no longer think > Shale should be a sub-project under Struts. I feel it belongs as a > sub-project under the Apache MyFaces top-level project now that MyFaces > is part of the Apache family. Struts-Faces still has a place on this > list but I really don't think Shale belongs here anymore. > > Do I need to take this opinion to the MyFaces and Struts developer lists > rather than here? > > -David, due back in 4+ hours to read any storm of replies > > P.S. Yes, I do subscribe to the Myfaces User List. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
