WSAD and RAD have something but now Eclipse 3.1 does that as well I questioned why someone would pay all that money for WSAD, I used to work for Blue and got it for free.
VisualAge for Java was in its time, great. It even came bundled with a Source repository which was great. But generating EJBs was so complex it was funny. With relation to the original thread, I have no problem with someone promoting their business and good luck to them as I run my own, but trying some daft deception based on his supposed evaluation of powerful software is a bit daft. Also the software price tage seems a tad high? I may be wrong but I think you can even get WSAD / RAD for the enterprise license costs. _____ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 August 2005 18:58 To: Struts Users Mailing List Cc: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: Nice try (was Java code generator including Struts 1.2) WebSphere Application Developer has a Struts Diagraming tool that will let you create a skeleton struts application using drag and drop. It does very well. It will populate your struts-config.xml and create skeleton JSPs, ActionClasses, FormObjects, and the like. No actual "code" generation, just the shell. If you are looking for something a little more robust, the Rational rapid developer will do the same thing using UML and will Shell out you application based on your model. Again little actual code generation, but it will give lesser developers a good starting point using real design/archetecture. Inactive hide details for "Frank W. Zammetti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>"Frank W. Zammetti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Frank W. Zammetti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 08/10/2005 01:34 PM Please respond to "Struts Users Mailing List" <user@struts.apache.org> To "Struts Users Mailing List" <user@struts.apache.org> cc "Struts Users Mailing List" <user@struts.apache.org> Subject RE: Nice try (was Java code generator including Struts 1.2) Anyone who has read this list for a while knows my feeling on automated code generation... saying it's a crime against humanity might be overstating my opinion a bit, but not by much :) I think Greg says it well though... I never had a problem using the application wizard in Visual C++... it just created a very simple skeleton application, everything else was up to me. I have no problem with that. Plug-ins that generate simple beans I can live with. Utilities that let me enter a list of basic information on class members and spit out the skeletal class code for me are fine. Those tools that take in a WSDL file and spit out a very basic Web Service client from it are OK, barely... they haven't crossed that line I don't want crossed yet, but they are on the way... I remember having to deal with some Swing code that was created by a junior programmer using some IDE (I forget which frankly, it's not on the market any more - I want to say it was IBM's old one before WSAD, but I might be wrong). The code was such an immense tangle of crap it still makes me shudder to think of it all these years later. THAT is the kind of code generator that will NEVER be allowed in my shop, no matter how productive it might make lesser developers. I don't care how easy and fast it is to drag some pictrues on a canvas, draw some lines to show interactions, enter a little bit of additional info and get essentially a whole applicatio out... that kind of stuff won't go on where I have any say in the matter. The cost in the long-run so far outweighs the immediate benefits as to be laughable, or so has been my experience anyway. -- Frank W. Zammetti Founder and Chief Software Architect Omnytex Technologies http://www.omnytex.com On Wed, August 10, 2005 1:18 pm, Lindholm, Greg said: > That's a very narrow view of code generators. > There are plenty of domains where the generator is used once to give the > programmer a starting point. > (I'm not commenting on nor judging this guys stuff.) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Leon Rosenberg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 1:05 PM > To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' > Subject: AW: Nice try (was Java code generator including Struts 1.2) > > Hmm... I think you clearly offence the rule one for generators: > generated code should never be touched! > > Regards > leon > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
