I agree with Craig here...
He is quiet right about the mailing problem...
I had been using my company id and have been told by them to unsubscribe
from the due to the volume of messages coming in.
Despite the volume if the mails had something to defend I could've done it.
But the never ending flow of OTs like these which are of no use to anyone is
not quiet the way anyone would like!

Friday of the week is over... At least from this point on let us cut this
off.


Regards,
 
Nitesh
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-----Original Message-----
From: Craig McClanahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 4:04 AM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: Re: [OT] Re: Fired???? was...Re: Struts Books Recommendations [OT]


On 7/8/05, James Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Andrew, you must be new here.  See, on Fridays (usually), we like to 
> cut up and have a little fun.  I think I've donated enough blood on 
> this list to deserve a break every now and then.

And perhaps its time to reign in the freedom to cut up a little on Fridays.
With freedom comes responsibility, and there's been way too many abuses of
that freedom lately (including this thread).

> If you don't like wasting time with [OT] posts, filter them.  Every 
> decent mail client will allow you to do that.

Note that filtering is not a complete answer.  Consider a scenario where you
are subscribed to a list like this from your company email address, where
you have (explicitly or implicitly) agreed to whatever terms of use your
company's IT department imposes on you.  In more than a few companies,
incoming email messages are scanned for inappropriate content -- and you
could be violating the policies even if you have a personal filter set up so
that *you* don't have to read the messages.  "But I didn't read it" isn't
going to be a very useful defense -- any more than if your mom caught you
reading Playboy when growing up, and you tried "but I didn't look at the
pictures, I was only reading the articles!"

I'd like to point you at a blog written recently by an industry colleague,
who has been observing what's going on here:
http://www.groundside.com/blog/content/DuncanMills/J2EE%20Development/2005/0
7/08/Respect.html

Even though Duncan works for a company that competes with my employer, and
builds a tool that is competitive with the one I work on, I still consider
him a friend, like many things about his product, and collaborate with him
where possible to improve the overall state of the industry.  I
wholeheartedly subscribe to his comments about respect, and would like to
see a return to the way that the Struts user list worked (nearly all of the
time) until fairly recently -- where respect was the norm.  Today it is not
... and even in jest many of the comments are innappropriate and embarrasing
(to the rest of the community, for having to be associated with it).

If you're only here for the Friday [OT] humor, then I suggest you find a
different place to cut loose.  The purpose of this list is to answer user
questions about Struts and all its related technologies -- and you'll sure
like how you look on a Google search ten years from now for your name if
you've posted like a mature adult instead of an immature 8-year-old.

Craig McClanahan

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