It's not an argument Eric, it's a debate. Are not debates about how to approach various problems part of what this list is for? After all, you can ignore the threads you have no interest in, I do it all the time :)
-- Frank W. Zammetti Founder and Chief Software Architect Omnytex Technologies http://www.omnytex.com On Fri, February 11, 2005 12:49 pm, Eric Lemle said: > from Mailing LIST recipient > *********************************************** > > If you people are going to argue, please send it to each other, some of > us are glad its Friday and > don't give two hoots about a scriplet debate. > > > ********************************************** > > Eric D. Lemle > Senior Programmer / Analyst > Intermountain Health Care > 36 South State Street, Suite 1100 > Salt Lake City, Utah 84111 > United States of America (USA) > (801) 442-3688 -- e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2/11/2005 10:43:11 AM >>> > On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 12:24:33 -0500 (EST), <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Yes Larry, I got that you think it's *CRAZY* *BAD* advice after the > THIRD >> eMail came through to me. > > Hmm, I only sent it twice (once for each of the emails I got from > you). > > Odd. > >> It wasn't advice first of all, it was one possible alternative. > Should we >> hide ways of doing things from people simply because we don't believe > they >> are the best approach, or even because they are generally regarded as > bad >> ideas? I'd hope you would say we shouldn't. > > OK, it was an alternative, but he also could just open his page with > <%, end it with %>, and use response.write() to send output. That too > would be an alternative, but I think every reputable JSP developer > would say it is not really a good way to develop web applications. > >> Your adamant response indicates closed-mindedness, which is never a > good >> thing. I absolutely have no problem with you saying that most > people >> would say that scriplets aren't the way to go. *I* would agree with > that, >> and I am not a fan of taglibs. Still, I certainly see the argument > for >> avoiding scriplets and I agree with it. > > Adamant? Umm, OK, I guess I must have mis-worded my email. I do not > think I said "never user scriptlets". > > What I was trying to say was that they are *not* the first choice of > *any* web developer I know, and IMO, should not be the *first* thing > suggested to a new JSP developer. > >> And wouldn't you agree that a thorough understanding of all the >> alternatives will allow a person to make a better decision for > themselves? >> Instead of simply saying something is a bad approach, isn't it > better to >> show all the paths one could take and have them ON THEIR OWN come to > the >> conclusion that one path is probably better than the other? I would > argue >> that simply declaring one way to be bad without giving someone the >> knowledge about it so they can SEE FOR THEMSELVES why it's bad is > WORSE >> than them using that option. > > So, should we allow people to poke their eyes out to learn that it is > a bad idea? > > Sometimes, I think it is our responsibility to provide guidance to new > developers. > >> Besides all that, declaring it to be bad to NEVER use a tool is > limiting >> and ultimately worse in my book. There may indeed be cases where >> scriplets are a better choice than taglibs, and it would be foolish > in my >> opinion to disount the option out-of-hand. > > I partially agree. There are cases where scriptlets are required (I > cannot think of one right now, but I am sure they exist). I do *not* > agree that it is foolish to disount the option..it is a bad idea > unless absolutely required (which in the examples provided, it clearly > was not). > >> No personal offense taken by the way, but I do think the > closed-mindedness >> of your premise is kind of offensive on a technical level, if you can > see >> the distinction :) > > Heheh, I am glad I did not offend you. > > Larry > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
