Craig,

I don't understand this.   I do want to be in the
middle of the herd on protocols and I do want to be heard.  

I don't understand your point here, however.  Are you seriously
saying this is just "noise" to users?  

Anyway, out of a lot of deference to you and out of a bit of "fear" 
from the warning part of "fair warning" and a little gratitude for the
fair part of "fair warning", I have added [OT] to this.  I assume that
this discussion has to be at least as important to users as other 
[OT] discussions?  If you insist that even this is not acceptable, 
I will even drop this [OT] qualifier and move over to the developer 
list despite my judgment to the contrary and despite the fact that
I think this stiffles legitimate discussion.

Jack


On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 11:19:23 -0800, Craig McClanahan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 10:45:31 -0800, Dakota Jack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> [snip]
> > With all due respect, which is considerable, on this topic the user
> > list seems far more appropriate than the developer list to me.  Users
> > have a significant investment in Struts remaining Struts.
> 
> Fair warning -- violating the community culture about how open source
> packages are developed; particularly here at Apache, is not going to
> help you get your ideas listened to, no matter how good they are.
> 
> Craig
>

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