The point that Vic is making is that there are people who don't
consider the fact that EJB is part of J2EE is sufficient reason to
justify its use. That's fair -- and I don't justify it that way; it's
only a reassurance that it's not just a shot in the dark technology,
and will be supported by more than one vendor.
I think I am quite eloquent myself and I don't recall writing something like that.
The point that Vic and other EJB-bashers miss (and probably hate) is that, despite all their bitching, there are *massive* numbers of applications that successfully use EJBs. Like any other technology, it is not a panacea for every single app. But it *is* being successfully used.
EJB basher and a probably hater? That's a bit of a jump, kind of make me look as someone unreasonable.
But for sincere amusement, let me test my reading comprehension of above:
"Despite of Vic, ejbs are successful."
I am preventing their success?
I very early recommend against EJBs due to my experience w/ them relative to other DAO approaches, and any google search would give you more anecdotal evidence. Now other people have written up on J2EE w/o EJB. I like that Struts is DAO agnostic, so we have a CHOICE to do iBatis or Hibreante et al. I do not have that much choice on .NET.
Now seriously, I wrote a long letter to the JSF vendor group about 18 months ago after the spec came to light, and suggested they get some customers in their midst and a bit less marketing. And I do think that people that believe in EJB are likely to also like JSF.
I also think that when ANY java project fails for any reason, we J2ee developers look bad. And to that end, I am not happy that any java projects fail, whether because of methodology, or technology choices.
As an lead developer you have have to recomend working designs, just like bridge engieers, if you have a bad design, the birdge falls; so I believe in being very fair and open to designs. When doing large scale, you have to rely on facts, and experience and less on vendor marketing.
.V
ps: I hope people enjoy the discussions and don’t take the free advice to the bank.
ps: What's the diff btwn a used car sales man and a computer vendor? A: The used car sales man knows he is lying.
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