On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 07:17:41 -0600, Vic (Vinny) Cekvenich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Mark Lowe wrote: > Having tried to make the > > move to JSF (as there are many things I really like about it) I've had > > to admit defeat and I'm looking back to struts. > > Welcome back. I hate to say "I told you so". No amout of skill or effort > would have helped you.
I bet you don't hate saying it that much :o) > > > > > You have 1 backing bean which controls naviagtion and subnavigation > > forms. > > You should check out Struts-Menu. I use it. Generating menus with whats there already in struts is workable, i'll give struts menu another look. But last i looked wasn't very safari friendly. > > > > > I set out to use JSF with a positive mind set, but gradually I've had > > to admit defeat. The real shame is that the likes of .NET are out > > there, and all the heel dragging with JSF can only damage it further. > > We can only hope that the likes of myfaces, can move along faster than > > the grueling JCP and perhaps help puch things along a bit faster. > > > > Not even Craig's will, talent and reputation can get JCP to simplify > into something usefull. I think a lot of companies will assume that JSF > is the best J2EE has and after failing go to .NET, to those that "heard" > that JSF is better than Struts. Imagine you never tried Struts and > belevied above. > So just use a lot of JSTL and JSP 2.0. > I do not think Shale will amout to anything as it is tied to JSF. I > think the Struts-chain proposal will win out, but time will tell. Faces has a lot of interesting things that at first look seem to have been informed by the struts experience. But bad enough that the links are javascript, worse that the javascript doesn't work, unless bundled in the same form. I'm sure this will be fixed, but then again I don't like systems that don't have a zero non javascript base line anyway. The abstraction from HTML is okay, its just the rendered stuff. And the party line of "Oh well this is just a reference implementation" get one's back up after a while also. expections of a reference implemention would be to have all the HTML form elements covered inlcuding a h:inputFile not constantly stall and eventually anounce that it might get added into a 1.3 spec.. > > But on the other hand I can only feel disappointed > > because JSF has so much promise. > > > > If someone wants to point out how I'm misguided or stupid in some way > > and that the 2 form scenerio with dynamically generated links is > > plainly wrong I'd like to hear it. > > > > I am not aware of sucessfull production JSF sites. > Your experience mirrors: > http://raibledesigns.com/page/rd/20040806 I read matt's blog, and the responses. I figured it was the time span given to his faces effort, but alas no. > > I used to teach Struts as #1 trainer. A lot of companies called me to do > JSF training. I refused (and did not get paid :-( ) But Kiko and > Higtower are happy teaching JSF. I've seen various bits written by richard, but again as soon as you go beyond static navigation you're fornicated. I guess there are risks as a trainer, where you need to make choices before having developed any full scale application, so this isn't a criticism of Richard, but these 5 minute examples get tiresome. The books are full of them. > > If you want to check out something .NET can't do, do JDNC. > > .V > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
