Hi there Maxim,

Thanks for getting back to me. I've already sent an email to Sebastian.

The clustering approach "looks" relatively straight forward as per the OM
site recommendations (and is something I am going to look at in more detail
over the weekend).... but I am REALLY interested in trying to implement the
three different types of media streams: listen only, webcams, and screen
share over 3 KMS servers, as suggested in BBB (which as you may know uses
Kurento / WebRTC). Apologies for bringing up BBB but it appears to be the
only alternative that uses similar technologies that has addressed this
issue.

KMS limitations have been talked about over the last year or so - for
example... From what I recall, a standard OM / KMS setup can deal with
around 300 media server connections. Therefore a group of 5 people
sharing audio and video would in theory use 125 of these connections. (5
audio x 5 video x 5 people) but that will grow exponentially if you have 7
users (sharing audio and video... (7x7x7= 343). You might recall last year
that I reported on a physical test on one of the OM servers and I got about
9 users (audio and video) working in the same room before things got a
little shaky -  but let's be honest - having 9 or 10 users sharing audio
and video at the same time can be a little messy given the fact that their
video pods might unnecessarily take up a lot of "landscape" on the screen
also... but I would feel more relaxed knowing that if I have 7 - 9 students
in one room and a teacher teaching 7 - 9 students in another room that the
server isn't going to go down... irrespective of how good an AWS instance I
set up.

Last year, there was a time last year when I had 3 classes running
concurrently and unfortunately everything crashed. The one time only.
Memory usage spiked... but it all boiled down to KMS, it seems.

This led me to start looking into everything in more detail, for obvious
reasons. After all the time and effort I've spent in experimenting and
giving some casual feedback regarding OM, I think simply moving to a
commercially OM hosted environment would defeat the purpose of the learning
curve I have been on (apologies Sebastian, I mean no disrespect).

Anyway, if there is anyone out there that can give me any pointers on how
to spread KMS activity over 3 servers (over a single OM instance), I'd
appreciate it, paid or otherwise, let me know. This has been a great
experience and I'd like to continue my learning curve on this as much as
possible. I think this would open a gateway to a lot more conversation and
discussion.... a lot more ideas and a solid way forward with users and for
OM. Over the years I've seen users achieve what they need to achieve and
then disappear from the User List once they've accomplished (or not).
Anyway, I digress.

For reference the following links are the main ones I've come across that
have sparked this interest:

https://docs.bigbluebutton.org/admin/customize.html#run-three-parallel-kurento-media-servers
and
https://github.com/bigbluebutton/bigbluebutton/blob/master/bigbluebutton-config/bin/apply-lib.sh

Any suggestions from anybody would be appreciated.

I look forward to ANY suggestions on this matter. Please drop me a line
either via the forum or directly.

All the best.

Denis.

On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 11:16 AM Maxim Solodovnik <solomax...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hello Denis,
>
> On Tue, 27 Jul 2021 at 12:26, Denis Noctor <denisnoc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi there Maxim,
> >
> > I hope this email finds you well.
>
> Everything is great :)
> Hope you are well and healthy :)
>
> >
> > I’ve been using OM over the last few years as mentioned in previous
> posts. Apologies for not commenting on previous updates and upgrades of
> recent.
> >
> > I’ve been using OM 5.1.0 for some time now (on an AWS EC2 instance ) and
> is running well as expected but now I need to explore the issue of
> clustering due to KMS limitations, number of concurrent users etc per room
> (and instance) as has been previously documented in previous posts. I’ve
> been avoiding the issue as some of the classes I am running are scheduled
> at different times... but now I am faced with the issue of a handful of
> classes that run at the same time.
>
> Hopefully you can try the latest release :)
> it should be much more stable :)
>
> And the UI was improved a lot :)
>
> >
> > Is there anyone out there who has successfully got clustering working in
> an AWS environment (using Ubuntu 18.04)?
> >
> > I would really appreciate it if anyone could give me some pointers. At
> present I have my AWS instance set up using Amazon’s Route 53, AWS
> certificate for https etc. If someone out there could give suggestions
> regarding setting up at least 2 instances using the same domain name, I’d
> be grateful and I could experiment from there.
> >
> > I’ve included Ali in this email (hope you don’t mind... as I’ve been
> following your progress and contributions to this forum since this whole
> pandemic began).
>
> @Seba was able to implement "real" clustering (so you can add more
> users to the room
> AFAIK this is commercial feature:
>
> https://openmeetings.apache.org/commercial-support.html#cloud-based-hosting-for-openmeetings
>
> >
> > All the best and thanks in advance. Denis.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Maxim
>

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