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On Sun, 25 Oct 2020 at 11:20, dww <dwort...@mykolab.com
<mailto:dwort...@mykolab.com>> wrote:
I did, I am waiting on verification email
On Sat, 2020-10-24 at 23:09 -0500, Denis Noctor wrote:
> Simply register an account... getting confusing with all the
> “Denis’s” 😂
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 24, 2020, at 2:51 PM, Dennis Worthem
<dwort...@mykolab.com <mailto:dwort...@mykolab.com>>
> wrote:
>
> > I saw those, but how do I request access?
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy S7 edge.
> >
> >
> > -------- Original message --------
> > From: Alvaro <zurca...@gmail.com <mailto:zurca...@gmail.com>>
> > Date: 10/24/20 2:12 PM (GMT-05:00)
> > To: user@openmeetings.apache.org
<mailto:user@openmeetings.apache.org>
> > Cc: Ali Alhaidary <ali.alhaid...@the5stars.org
<mailto:ali.alhaid...@the5stars.org>>
> > Subject: Re: docker container clustering experiments #1, Please
> > respond
> >
> >
> > https://openmeetings.apache.org/demo.html
> >
> >
> > ..........
> >
> > El sáb, 24-10-2020 a las 14:09 -0400, dww escribió:
> > > What are the urls to the demo servers?
> > >
> > > On Sat, 2020-10-24 at 13:19 +0700, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
> > > > Hello Denis,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, 24 Oct 2020 at 12:01, Denis Noctor <
> > > > denisnoc...@gmail.com <mailto:denisnoc...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > > > > Hi there Maxim... when a new build is made... is this
> > > > > automatically replicated on the OM demo servers?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > yep
> > > > both servers were just updated :)
> > > >
> > > > > If this is the case, I’d be happy to test it out once my
> > > > > class is over tomorrow afternoon, test it out and give some
> > > > > feedback. Last time I had checked there was a #116 build
> > > > > since #115... either way, if I needed... to open up a
new AWS
> > > > > instance, I am happy to oblige.
> > > > >
> > > > > On a separate note @Ali Alhaidary (
> > > > > ali.alhaid...@the5stars.org
<mailto:ali.alhaid...@the5stars.org>)... given the nature of your
> > > > > website... I would assume that the current limitation(s)
> > > > > regarding the number of users per room would have been
> > > > > identified at an earlier stage... your regular queries are
> > > > > intriguing but ... if you do work out a solution... rather
> > > > > than piecing everything on a step by step basis... I also
> > > > > think we would all benefit as to what your overall ideas /
> > > > > interests might be so we can all contribute. I look forward
> > > > > to hearing more on this.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > this is the paragraph i don't get :(((
> > > > this last fix was based on observation: 7 users can't work in
> > > > one room, but can in 2 rooms
> > > > this gave me a hint
> > > > hopefully in builds #115+ this will be improved
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Talk soon, Denis.
> > > > >
> > > > > Sent from my iPhone
> > > > >
> > > > > On Oct 23, 2020, at 4:55 AM, Maxim Solodovnik <
> > > > > solomax...@gmail.com <mailto:solomax...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > OK,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > please test build #115+ from here
> > > > > >
https://ci-builds.apache.org/job/OpenMeetings/job/openmeetings/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I would like to confirm if audio/video streams in the room
> > > > > > are more stable :)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Please NOTE configuration has been changed
> > > > > > most valuable configurable parameters are now
> > > > > > in ./webapps/openmeetings/WEB-
> > > > > > INF/classes/openmeetings.properties :)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Fri, 23 Oct 2020 at 13:50, Denis Noctor <
> > > > > > denisnoc...@gmail.com <mailto:denisnoc...@gmail.com>>
wrote:
> > > > > > > Hi there Maxim,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I know you've mentioned that you are working on a few
> > > > > > > alternatives since this email but I thought it best to
> > > > > > > get back in touch.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > As you will see from the attached screenshot, I mustered
> > > > > > > up a few computers (equally spread over 2 wifi networks
> > > > > > > in my home... in different parts to reduce sound
feedback
> > > > > > > etc. as I do not have enough headsets). A few points to
> > > > > > > take into consideration... some of these computers are
> > > > > > > older than others... varying in RAM and CPU... but ALL
> > > > > > > were using the latest version of Chrome. This is what I
> > > > > > > noticed:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > While you can see from the screenshot, there are 7 users
> > > > > > > in a room (6 of which using 120x90 screen res and 1
using
> > > > > > > 320x240 - audio and vid channels open)... there had been
> > > > > > > some issues. I let the room open for about 40 mins but
> > > > > > > some video pods "dropped" from some computers... with no
> > > > > > > indication as to whether users were still active or not.
> > > > > > > Sometimes I had to "reconnect" video and audio on
others.
> > > > > > > Some computers showed all 7 connections... while others
> > > > > > > showed 3... but AFTER I added an 8th user (via an
Amazon
> > > > > > > Fire tablet) "Video / Audio" pods began to drop from a
> > > > > > > lot of the computers... showing only 3-4 videos pods...
> > > > > > > and disconnecting users... and sometimes being unable to
> > > > > > > reconnect... or refresh their screen (on one computer...
> > > > > > > Chrome became unresponsive).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > When I added the "8th user" to the group... sound
quality
> > > > > > > dropped... with a very "scratchy" interference noise for
> > > > > > > all users.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Things were much more stable with 5 users in a room.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Of course, as you can imagine... this is a "one room"
> > > > > > > scenario.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > While I have mentioned that I was using older to newer
> > > > > > > computers and tablets (based on what is available to
> > > > > > > me)... all of them were able to perform okay in
Microsoft
> > > > > > > Teams and Zoom scenarios (tested)... but obviously with
> > > > > > > varying degrees of performance due to speed, cpu, ram
> > > > > > > etc.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > This seems to be a major issue and I am happy to test
> > > > > > > everything out on the OM demo sites and give feedback
> > > > > > > over the next few days if you would like. My next
> > > > > > > question would be... if that you had 2 similar rooms /
> > > > > > > classes open under the same circumstances... would the
> > > > > > > overall performance be even worse?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I have tested this on a single AWS server, Ubuntu 18.04,
> > > > > > > 8 gigs ram server etc (OM 5 M4... yes, I know, I know...
> > > > > > > will upgrade soon... but assume this issue has crossed
> > > > > > > over to other versions - I will retest on the OM demos
> > > > > > > online.)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hope some of this feedback helps.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Virus-free. www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 7:08 AM Maxim Solodovnik <
> > > > > > > solomax...@gmail.com <mailto:solomax...@gmail.com>>
wrote:
> > > > > > > > Hello Denis,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > please let me know if 10 users in the room will be OK
> > > > > > > > we need to change the way cluster works in case
current
> > > > > > > > configuration is not stable/powerful enough
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Thu, 22 Oct 2020 at 13:33, Denis Noctor <
> > > > > > > > denisnoc...@gmail.com
<mailto:denisnoc...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Actually... this is something that had crossed my
> > > > > > > > > mind recently. Previously, I’ve had on average 5
> > > > > > > > > users per group... but on occasion if there more
than
> > > > > > > > > 5 users (in and around 7-10) some users... some
would
> > > > > > > > > intentionally drop drop their cam... and sometimes
> > > > > > > > > mic... (I thought it might have been due to
bandwidth
> > > > > > > > > issues on their side)... but I’ve got my own kids
> > > > > > > > > taking online classes via their schools... whereby
> > > > > > > > > there are a min of 20 attending a class and so on
> > > > > > > > > (different platforms etc.)
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I have about a combination of 5 to 6 computers at
> > > > > > > > > home due to home office / covid restrictions
etc. and
> > > > > > > > > am happy to log in to either the OM demo sites or
> > > > > > > > > others to try replicate this scenario. (and my own,
> > > > > > > > > of course).
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Yep, I’ve been reading up on WebRTC and Kurento
> > > > > > > > > regarding connectivity limitations regarding audio
> > > > > > > > > and video... this has been covered a lot recently in
> > > > > > > > > previous posts in this forum... and from memory
it is
> > > > > > > > > somewhere between 200-300 connections... (per
server?
> > > > > > > > > / instance?)
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > For example... if you have 5 users in a room (using
> > > > > > > > > audio and video) this will result in 5 (users) x 5
> > > > > > > > > audio connections x 5 video connections... giving
> > > > > > > > > “125” connections... but if you have 7 users in a
> > > > > > > > > room receiving and experiencing audio and vid...
that
> > > > > > > > > is 7x7x7= 343 connections... which obviously exceeds
> > > > > > > > > the connections as per previous posts.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I have had a scenario whereby 3 classes were held at
> > > > > > > > > the same time on the same AWS instance... and nobody
> > > > > > > > > has reported a problem (yet... or they unknowingly
> > > > > > > > > downplayed it due to internet bandwidth problems
> > > > > > > > > etc.)... but the max number of students per room has
> > > > > > > > > been 4-5....
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I am happy to test this more with others, if you are
> > > > > > > > > up for it and am watching this carefully.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I have a scheduled meeting with 10 participants next
> > > > > > > > > week and am now nervous... and curious to see how it
> > > > > > > > > works out.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Talk soon.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Denis
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On Oct 21, 2020, at 7:57 PM, dww <
> > > > > > > > > dwort...@mykolab.com
<mailto:dwort...@mykolab.com>> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Does anyone have an idea why the client browser
> > > > > > > > > seems to limited to 5
> > > > > > > > > > video pods when each user connects with both video
> > > > > > > > > and microphone.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > It seems to definitely max out the CPU(s) on the
> > > > > > > > > client computer. How
> > > > > > > > > > do other applications like Zoom or Microsoft Teams
> > > > > > > > > get around this
> > > > > > > > > > issue. Do they throttle back the streaming of the
> > > > > > > > > video pods or views
> > > > > > > > > > of many or most of the pods and do it in some kind
> > > > > > > > > of round-robin
> > > > > > > > > > update?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Am I just doing something wrong.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Any response would be appreciated. I would like to
> > > > > > > > > start uses OM for
> > > > > > > > > > meetings next month.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > > > > Dennis
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >> On Sun, 2020-10-18 at 17:40 -0400, dww wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >> When creating 3 guests on each of 2 other laptops
> > > > > > > > > that I run into the
> > > > > > > > > >> same issues,so it seems that the main limitation
> > > > > > > > > is the number of
> > > > > > > > > >> video/audio pods within a client. Is there anyway
> > > > > > > > > to get around that
> > > > > > > > > >> as
> > > > > > > > > >> it implies that one annot have more than 4 or 5
> > > > > > > > > guests with both
> > > > > > > > > >> video
> > > > > > > > > >> and audio?
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >> Dennis
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >>> On Sun, 2020-10-18 at 13:00 -0400, dww wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >>> Yes I get the same result, however, this
does not
> > > > > > > > > appear to be a
> > > > > > > > > >>> valid
> > > > > > > > > >>> stress test of kms. This stress tests a client
> > > > > > > > > machine with
> > > > > > > > > >>> multiple
> > > > > > > > > >>> tabs or browser windows each with
connections and
> > > > > > > > > determines that
> > > > > > > > > >>> it
> > > > > > > > > >>> is
> > > > > > > > > >>> CPU bound.
> > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > >>> It seems the only way to stress test kms is
to do
> > > > > > > > > this with
> > > > > > > > > >>> multiple
> > > > > > > > > >>> client machines. I have 3 laptops here and a
> > > > > > > > > couple of smart phones
> > > > > > > > > >>> so
> > > > > > > > > >>> I will try distributing the client windows among
> > > > > > > > > all of them.
> > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > >>> Dennis
> > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>> On Sun, 2020-10-18 at 10:56 +0700, Maxim
> > > > > > > > > Solodovnik wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >>>> I'm on Ubuntu 20.04 desktop? so i can use UI
> > > > > > > > > >>>> if you are using server I would recommend
`htop`
> > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> On Sun, 18 Oct 2020 at 10:54, dww <
> > > > > > > > > dwort...@mykolab.com
<mailto:dwort...@mykolab.com>> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> May I ask for your linux command line that got
> > > > > > > > > the CPU
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> percentage
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> for all cores?
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> thanks,
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Dennis
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> On Sat, 2020-10-17 at 12:59 +0700, Maxim
> > > > > > > > > Solodovnik wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> Hello,
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> i just have tried the following script
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> started as `./run10.sh 5`
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> everything seems to work, but my CPU was 800%
> > > > > > > > > busy (all cores
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> were 100% busy)
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> without `--use-fake-device-for-media-stream`
> > > > > > > > > parameter I had
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> lots
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> of permission errors due to camera was
> > > > > > > > > "captured" by first
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> browser
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> other have reported "Camera busy" error
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> _HASH_HERE_ - should be replaced with real
> > > > > > > > > hash (I have
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> created
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> endless invitation hash to the private
> > > > > > > > > conference room)
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> the script
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > ===============================================
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> #!/bin/bash
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> i=$1
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> if [ -z "${i}" ]; then
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> i=30
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> fi
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> let "i += 0"
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> rm -rf /tmp/delme*
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> while ((i--)); do
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> #echo "${i}"
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> mkdir /tmp/delme${i}
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> #local conference
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> chromium-browser --user-data-
> > > > > > > > > dir=/tmp/delme${i} --disable-
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> infobars --no-default-browser-check --allow-
> > > > > > > > > insecure-
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> localhost
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> --
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> use-fake-device-for-media-stream '
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >
https://localhost:5443/openmeetings/hash?invitation=_HASH_HERE_&language=1'
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> &
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> done
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> On Fri, 16 Oct 2020 at 09:10, dww <
> > > > > > > > > dwort...@mykolab.com <mailto:dwort...@mykolab.com>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> I mentioned earlier that I wanted to
> > > > > > > > > experiment with
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> clustering
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> using
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> docker swarm for the kms service.
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> I wanted to establish a base line using one
> > > > > > > > > container for
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> kms.
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> All the
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> components are in one Linode with 8 GB of
> > > > > > > > > RAM.
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> For this experiment. I start entering the
> > > > > > > > > video and
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> whiteboard
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> room
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> from my admin login from Firefox on one
> > > > > > > > > laptop. I allowed
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> both
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> video
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> and microphone and the video pod was the
> > > > > > > > > lowest resolution.
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> I
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> generate
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> a guest url to the room.
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> On another laptop also on the same
connection
> > > > > > > > > to the
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> internet
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> I
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> enter
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> the room on firefox and allow both video (
> > > > > > > > > lowest
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> resolution)
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> and
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> microphone on a new tab each time.
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> Up to 4 guest clients load quickly and the
> > > > > > > > > pods are created
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> almost
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> immediately on all 5 tabs. On the first
> > > > > > > > > attempt on the 5th
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> guest the
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> pod for this guest on the admin laptop
took a
> > > > > > > > > couple of
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> minutes
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> to load
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> the video. On the 5th guest tab, the
pods for
> > > > > > > > > guest 1, 2
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> and
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> 4
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> would
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> not refresh( pod frames present but no
video.
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> RAM and CPU usage was not significant on the
> > > > > > > > > server.
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> I closed the tabs for all the guests and
> > > > > > > > > redid the
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> experiment,
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> The
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> first 4 guests again loaded quickly without
> > > > > > > > > any issues. The
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> 5th
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> guest
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> loaded to completion but took about 40
> > > > > > > > > seconds for all 6
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> tabs
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> to
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> complete. On the 6th guest there were
> > > > > > > > > multiple connection
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> drops
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> and
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> retries and the tabs were reduced to about 3
> > > > > > > > > pods working,
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> the
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> others
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> gone, this was on all tabs.
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> So based on this it seems that up to 5 users
> > > > > > > > > using both
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> video
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> and
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> microphone seem to work fine.
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> Does this agree with anyone else's
> > > > > > > > > experience? I had from
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> other
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> posts
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> that we can expect 14-15 users per kms
> > > > > > > > > instance. Does both
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> laptop on
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> the same network have any influence on this?
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> I will try a swarm next after I gets some
> > > > > > > > > feedback.
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
--
Best regards,
Maxim
