well if you will try any of the URLs you might see "Not a member" button .... ;)
please check version in "About" dialog before testing On Sun, 25 Oct 2020 at 02:51, Dennis Worthem <dwort...@mykolab.com> wrote: > I saw those, but how do I request access? > > > > Sent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy S7 edge. > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Alvaro <zurca...@gmail.com> > Date: 10/24/20 2:12 PM (GMT-05:00) > To: user@openmeetings.apache.org > Cc: Ali Alhaidary <ali.alhaid...@the5stars.org> > Subject: Re: docker container clustering experiments #1, Please respond > > > https://openmeetings.apache.org/demo.html > > > .......... > > El sáb, 24-10-2020 a las 14:09 -0400, dww escribió: > > What are the urls to the demo servers? > > On Sat, 2020-10-24 at 13:19 +0700, Maxim Solodovnik wrote: > > Hello Denis, > > > > On Sat, 24 Oct 2020 at 12:01, Denis Noctor <denisnoc...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi there Maxim... when a new build is made... is this automatically > replicated on the OM demo servers? > > > yep > both servers were just updated :) > > > If this is the case, I’d be happy to test it out once my class is over > tomorrow afternoon, test it out and give some feedback. Last time I had > checked there was a #116 build since #115... either way, if I needed... to > open up a new AWS instance, I am happy to oblige. > > On a separate note @Ali Alhaidary (ali.alhaid...@the5stars.org)... given > the nature of your website... I would assume that the current limitation(s) > regarding the number of users per room would have been identified at an > earlier stage... your regular queries are intriguing but ... if you do work > out a solution... rather than piecing everything on a step by step basis... > I also think we would all benefit as to what your overall ideas / interests > might be so we can all contribute. I look forward to hearing more on this. > > > this is the paragraph i don't get :((( > this last fix was based on observation: 7 users can't work in one room, > but can in 2 rooms > this gave me a hint > hopefully in builds #115+ this will be improved > > > > > Talk soon, Denis. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 23, 2020, at 4:55 AM, Maxim Solodovnik <solomax...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > OK, > > please test build #115+ from here > https://ci-builds.apache.org/job/OpenMeetings/job/openmeetings/ > > I would like to confirm if audio/video streams in the room are more stable > :) > > Please NOTE configuration has been changed > most valuable configurable parameters are now > in ./webapps/openmeetings/WEB-INF/classes/openmeetings.properties :) > > On Fri, 23 Oct 2020 at 13:50, Denis Noctor <denisnoc...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi there Maxim, > > I know you've mentioned that you are working on a few alternatives since > this email but I thought it best to get back in touch. > > As you will see from the attached screenshot, I mustered up a few > computers (equally spread over 2 wifi networks in my home... in different > parts to reduce sound feedback etc. as I do not have enough headsets). A > few points to take into consideration... some of these computers are older > than others... varying in RAM and CPU... but ALL were using the latest > version of Chrome. This is what I noticed: > > While you can see from the screenshot, there are 7 users in a room (6 of > which using 120x90 screen res and 1 using 320x240 - audio and vid channels > open)... there had been some issues. I let the room open for about 40 mins > but some video pods "dropped" from some computers... with no indication as > to whether users were still active or not. Sometimes I had to "reconnect" > video and audio on others. Some computers showed all 7 connections... while > others showed 3... but AFTER I added *an 8th user* (via an Amazon Fire > tablet) "Video / Audio" pods began to drop from a lot of the computers... > showing only 3-4 videos pods... and disconnecting users... and sometimes > being unable to reconnect... or refresh their screen (on one computer... > Chrome became unresponsive). > > When I added the "8th user" to the group... sound quality dropped... with > a very "scratchy" interference noise for all users. > > Things were much more stable with 5 users in a room. > > Of course, as you can imagine... this is a "one room" scenario. > > While I have mentioned that I was using older to newer computers and > tablets (based on what is available to me)... all of them were able to > perform okay in Microsoft Teams and Zoom scenarios (tested)... but > obviously with varying degrees of performance due to speed, cpu, ram etc. > > This seems to be a major issue and I am happy to test everything out on > the OM demo sites and give feedback over the next few days if you would > like. My next question would be... if that you had 2 similar rooms / > classes open under the same circumstances... would the overall performance > be even worse? > > I have tested this on a single AWS server, Ubuntu 18.04, 8 gigs ram server > etc (OM 5 M4... yes, I know, I know... will upgrade soon... but assume this > issue has crossed over to other versions - I will retest on the OM demos > online.) > > Hope some of this feedback helps. > > > <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> > Virus-free. > www.avg.com > <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> > <#m_-6282289474337783949_m_-7228383676789641593_m_-8536094403591139251_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 7:08 AM Maxim Solodovnik <solomax...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Hello Denis, > > please let me know if 10 users in the room will be OK > we need to change the way cluster works in case current configuration is > not stable/powerful enough > > On Thu, 22 Oct 2020 at 13:33, Denis Noctor <denisnoc...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Actually... this is something that had crossed my mind recently. > Previously, I’ve had on average 5 users per group... but on occasion if > there more than 5 users (in and around 7-10) some users... some would > intentionally drop drop their cam... and sometimes mic... (I thought it > might have been due to bandwidth issues on their side)... but I’ve got my > own kids taking online classes via their schools... whereby there are a min > of 20 attending a class and so on (different platforms etc.) > > I have about a combination of 5 to 6 computers at home due to home office > / covid restrictions etc. and am happy to log in to either the OM demo > sites or others to try replicate this scenario. (and my own, of course). > > Yep, I’ve been reading up on WebRTC and Kurento regarding connectivity > limitations regarding audio and video... this has been covered a lot > recently in previous posts in this forum... and from memory it is somewhere > between 200-300 connections... (per server? / instance?) > > For example... if you have 5 users in a room (using audio and video) this > will result in 5 (users) x 5 audio connections x 5 video connections... > giving “125” connections... but if you have 7 users in a room receiving and > experiencing audio and vid... that is 7x7x7= 343 connections... which > obviously exceeds the connections as per previous posts. > > I have had a scenario whereby 3 classes were held at the same time on the > same AWS instance... and nobody has reported a problem (yet... or they > unknowingly downplayed it due to internet bandwidth problems etc.)... but > the max number of students per room has been 4-5.... > > I am happy to test this more with others, if you are up for it and am > watching this carefully. > > I have a scheduled meeting with 10 participants next week and am now > nervous... and curious to see how it works out. > > Talk soon. > > Denis > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Oct 21, 2020, at 7:57 PM, dww <dwort...@mykolab.com> wrote: > > > > Does anyone have an idea why the client browser seems to limited to 5 > > video pods when each user connects with both video and microphone. > > > > It seems to definitely max out the CPU(s) on the client computer. How > > do other applications like Zoom or Microsoft Teams get around this > > issue. Do they throttle back the streaming of the video pods or views > > of many or most of the pods and do it in some kind of round-robin > > update? > > > > Am I just doing something wrong. > > > > Any response would be appreciated. I would like to start uses OM for > > meetings next month. > > > > Thanks, > > Dennis > > > > > >> On Sun, 2020-10-18 at 17:40 -0400, dww wrote: > >> When creating 3 guests on each of 2 other laptops that I run into the > >> same issues,so it seems that the main limitation is the number of > >> video/audio pods within a client. Is there anyway to get around that > >> as > >> it implies that one annot have more than 4 or 5 guests with both > >> video > >> and audio? > >> > >> Dennis > >> > >> > >> > >>> On Sun, 2020-10-18 at 13:00 -0400, dww wrote: > >>> Yes I get the same result, however, this does not appear to be a > >>> valid > >>> stress test of kms. This stress tests a client machine with > >>> multiple > >>> tabs or browser windows each with connections and determines that > >>> it > >>> is > >>> CPU bound. > >>> > >>> It seems the only way to stress test kms is to do this with > >>> multiple > >>> client machines. I have 3 laptops here and a couple of smart phones > >>> so > >>> I will try distributing the client windows among all of them. > >>> > >>> Dennis > >>> > >>>> On Sun, 2020-10-18 at 10:56 +0700, Maxim Solodovnik wrote: > >>>> I'm on Ubuntu 20.04 desktop? so i can use UI > >>>> if you are using server I would recommend `htop` > >>>> > >>>>> On Sun, 18 Oct 2020 at 10:54, dww <dwort...@mykolab.com> wrote: > >>>>> May I ask for your linux command line that got the CPU > >>>>> percentage > >>>>> for all cores? > >>>>> thanks, > >>>>> Dennis > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> On Sat, 2020-10-17 at 12:59 +0700, Maxim Solodovnik wrote: > >>>>>> Hello, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> i just have tried the following script > >>>>>> started as `./run10.sh 5` > >>>>>> > >>>>>> everything seems to work, but my CPU was 800% busy (all cores > >>>>>> were 100% busy) > >>>>>> > >>>>>> without `--use-fake-device-for-media-stream` parameter I had > >>>>>> lots > >>>>>> of permission errors due to camera was "captured" by first > >>>>>> browser > >>>>>> other have reported "Camera busy" error > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> _HASH_HERE_ - should be replaced with real hash (I have > >>>>>> created > >>>>>> endless invitation hash to the private conference room) > >>>>>> > >>>>>> the script > >>>>>> =============================================== > >>>>>> #!/bin/bash > >>>>>> > >>>>>> i=$1 > >>>>>> > >>>>>> if [ -z "${i}" ]; then > >>>>>> i=30 > >>>>>> fi > >>>>>> let "i += 0" > >>>>>> > >>>>>> rm -rf /tmp/delme* > >>>>>> > >>>>>> while ((i--)); do > >>>>>> #echo "${i}" > >>>>>> mkdir /tmp/delme${i} > >>>>>> > >>>>>> #local conference > >>>>>> chromium-browser --user-data-dir=/tmp/delme${i} --disable- > >>>>>> infobars --no-default-browser-check --allow-insecure- > >>>>>> localhost > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> use-fake-device-for-media-stream ' > >>>>>> > https://localhost:5443/openmeetings/hash?invitation=_HASH_HERE_&language=1 > ' > >>>>>> & > >>>>>> done > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Fri, 16 Oct 2020 at 09:10, dww <dwort...@mykolab.com> > >>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>> I mentioned earlier that I wanted to experiment with > >>>>>>> clustering > >>>>>>> using > >>>>>>> docker swarm for the kms service. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I wanted to establish a base line using one container for > >>>>>>> kms. > >>>>>>> All the > >>>>>>> components are in one Linode with 8 GB of RAM. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> For this experiment. I start entering the video and > >>>>>>> whiteboard > >>>>>>> room > >>>>>>> from my admin login from Firefox on one laptop. I allowed > >>>>>>> both > >>>>>>> video > >>>>>>> and microphone and the video pod was the lowest resolution. > >>>>>>> I > >>>>>>> generate > >>>>>>> a guest url to the room. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On another laptop also on the same connection to the > >>>>>>> internet > >>>>>>> I > >>>>>>> enter > >>>>>>> the room on firefox and allow both video ( lowest > >>>>>>> resolution) > >>>>>>> and > >>>>>>> microphone on a new tab each time. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Up to 4 guest clients load quickly and the pods are created > >>>>>>> almost > >>>>>>> immediately on all 5 tabs. On the first attempt on the 5th > >>>>>>> guest the > >>>>>>> pod for this guest on the admin laptop took a couple of > >>>>>>> minutes > >>>>>>> to load > >>>>>>> the video. On the 5th guest tab, the pods for guest 1, 2 > >>>>>>> and > >>>>>>> 4 > >>>>>>> would > >>>>>>> not refresh( pod frames present but no video. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> RAM and CPU usage was not significant on the server. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I closed the tabs for all the guests and redid the > >>>>>>> experiment, > >>>>>>> The > >>>>>>> first 4 guests again loaded quickly without any issues. The > >>>>>>> 5th > >>>>>>> guest > >>>>>>> loaded to completion but took about 40 seconds for all 6 > >>>>>>> tabs > >>>>>>> to > >>>>>>> complete. On the 6th guest there were multiple connection > >>>>>>> drops > >>>>>>> and > >>>>>>> retries and the tabs were reduced to about 3 pods working, > >>>>>>> the > >>>>>>> others > >>>>>>> gone, this was on all tabs. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> So based on this it seems that up to 5 users using both > >>>>>>> video > >>>>>>> and > >>>>>>> microphone seem to work fine. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Does this agree with anyone else's experience? I had from > >>>>>>> other > >>>>>>> posts > >>>>>>> that we can expect 14-15 users per kms instance. Does both > >>>>>>> laptop on > >>>>>>> the same network have any influence on this? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I will try a swarm next after I gets some feedback. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > > > > > -- > Best regards, > Maxim > > > > <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> > Virus-free. > www.avg.com > <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> > <#m_-6282289474337783949_m_-7228383676789641593_m_-8536094403591139251_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > > > -- Best regards, Maxim
