Hi, thanks for your reply and sorry for the late response.
The problem is, I am unsure how I should implement the two-phase-commit pattern, because my JDBC connection is within a .map()/.flatMap() operator, and it is NOT a data sink. As written in my original question, my stream setup is a simple, one-dimensional pipeline: environment.addSource(consumer) .map(… idempotent transformations ...) .map(new DatabaseFunction) .map(… idempotent transformations ...) .addSink(producer) For the state / flink buffering, I am unsure if it would work even with a composite key, since I must be able to do arbitrary database lookups (like select .. from .. where x between y and z order by …). So I am pretty sure I am bound to use a real database connection for the job. So currently, I see no option to use flink states in this situation. Also, as it seems, stream operators currently don’t support the two-phase-commit protocol, I would have to do this with a sink, correct? What do you advise to do? Currently I am think about replacing flink with another technology for this part of the application, since this database-lookup logic does not seem to fit the idea of a streaming application in general, thus flink might not be the best choice. Another option maybe, lets assume I was able to redesign my application (somehow, maybe I come up with something). Would you advise that I replace the oracle database *entirely* with a flink managed state? This would rise a couple of questions for me: - How do you manage regular cleanup / deletion of old data, so the state does not grow big? - When I have e.g. parallelism 3, and thus 3 instances of my .flatMap() lookup operator, they will not share the state, right? Thus they cannot access data which was processed by the other instances? This is going to be a problem. - The flink application state seems volatile, I have to make 100% sure (by bash scripts and the like) that the application is never stopped/canceled without making a savepoint, and the restart must resume from the savepoint. Otherwise it will result in complete data loss worth weeks/months of data. E.g. if anyone by accident hits the job “cancel” button in the flink UI, all data is lost. This seems pretty much like an operational risk, since this is going to be a 24/7 high availability application. So maybe using only flink state is also not viable. regards Patrick -- Patrick Fial Client Platform Entwickler Information Design One AG Phone +49 69 244 502 38 Web www.id1.de <http://www.id1.de/> Information Design One AG, Baseler Straße 10, 60329 Frankfurt am Main Registereintrag: Amtsgericht Frankfurt am Main, HRB 52596 Vorstand: Robert Peters, Benjamin Walther, Aufsichtsrat: Christian Hecht (Vorsitz) Am 21. März 2019 um 11:25:46, Kostas Kloudas (kklou...@gmail.com<mailto:kklou...@gmail.com>) schrieb: Hi Patrick, In order for you DB records to be up-to-date and correct, I think that you would have to implement a 2-phase-commit sink. Now for querying multiple keys, why not doing the following: Let's assume for a single result record, you want to join data from K1, K2, K3. You can have a function that creates a composite key `K_comp = createCompositeKey(K1, K2, K3)`. Then you send 3 records out: (K1, K_comp), (K2, K_comp), (K3, K_comp). You keyBy the first field initially, i,e. K1, K2, K3. This will send the records to the nodes responsible for each key. The nodes there will either have the data in state, or they can hit the Oracle DB to fetch the related data. So now, Flink will pick the relevant state. And then you can keyBy the K_comp, which will send again all the records to the same node, where they can be joined together. Then you can use your 2-phase JDBC connector to push the result to your Oracle DB when the checkpoint is acknowledged. This solution uses Flink's state as a buffer. What do you think about this solution? Cheers, Kostas On Wed, Mar 20, 2019 at 9:38 AM Patrick Fial <patrick.f...@id1.de<mailto:patrick.f...@id1.de>> wrote: Hi Andrey, thanks for your feedback. I am not sure if I understand 100% correctly, but using the flink state to store my stuff (in addition to the oracle database) is not an option, because to my knowledge flink state does not allow arbitrary lookup queries, which I need to do, however. Also, given the logic described in my original post, the database access is never going to be idempotent, which lies in the nature of the required insert/update logic. regards Patrick -- Patrick Fial Client Platform Entwickler Information Design One AG Phone +49 69 244 502 38 Web www.id1.de<http://www.id1.de/> Information Design One AG, Baseler Straße 10, 60329 Frankfurt am Main Registereintrag: Amtsgericht Frankfurt am Main, HRB 52596 Vorstand: Robert Peters, Benjamin Walther, Aufsichtsrat: Christian Hecht (Vorsitz) Am 19. März 2019 um 17:59:22, Andrey Zagrebin (and...@ververica.com<mailto:and...@ververica.com>) schrieb: Hi Patrick, One approach, I would try, is to use Flink state and sync it with database in initializeState and CheckpointListener.notifyCheckpointComplete. Basically issue only idempotent updates to database but only when the last checkpoint is securely taken and records before it are not processed again. This has though a caveat that database might have stale data between checkpoints. Once the current state is synced with database, depending on your App, it might be even cleared from Flink state. I also cc Piotr and Kostas, maybe, they have more ideas. Best, Andrey On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 10:09 AM Patrick Fial <patrick.f...@id1.de<mailto:patrick.f...@id1.de>> wrote: Hello, I am working on a streaming application with apache flink, which shall provide end-to-end exactly-once delivery guarantees. The application is roughly built like this: environment.addSource(consumer) .map(… idempotent transformations ...) .map(new DatabaseFunction) .map(… idempotent transformations ...) .addSink(producer) Both source and sink are kafka connectors, and thus support exactly-once delivery guarantees. The tricky part comes with the .map() containing the DatabaseFunction. Its job is to: 1) look up the incoming message in some oracle database 2a) insert it if it is not already stored in the database and publish the incoming message 2b) otherwise combine the incoming update with previous contents from the database, and store back the combined update in the database 3) output the result of 2) to the next operator This logic leads to inconsistent data beeing published to the sink in case of a failure where the DatabaseFunction was already executed, but the message is not yet published to the sink. My understanding is, that in such a scenario all operator states would be reverted to the last checkpoint. Since the .map() operator is stateless, nothing is done here, so only the consumer and producer states are reverted. This leads to the message beeing reprocessed from the beginning (source), and thus beeing processed *again* by the DatabaseFunction. However, the DatabaseFunction is not idempotent (because of 1)-3) as explained above), and thus leads to a different output than in the first run. The question is, how I can assure transaction-safety in this application? Basically, I would need to use database transactions within the DatabaseFunction, and commit those only if the messages are also commited to the kafka sink. However, I don’t know how to achieve this. I read about the two phase commit protocol in flink (https://flink.apache.org/features/2018/03/01/end-to-end-exactly-once-apache-flink.html), but I fail to find examples of how to implement this in detail for stream operators (NOT sinks). All documentation I find only refers to using the two phase commit protocol for sinks. Should I, in this case, only implement the CheckpointedFunction and hook on the initializeState/snapshotState to rollback/commit by database transactions? Would this already make things work? I am a bit confused because there seem to be no hooks for the pre-commit/commit/abort signals. Anyway, I am also afraid that this might also introduce scaling issues, because depending on the message throughput, committing database actions only with every checkpoint interval might blow the temp tablespace in the oracle database. Thanks in advance for any help. best regards Patrick Fial -- Patrick Fial Client Platform Entwickler Information Design One AG Phone +49 69 244 502 38 Web www.id1.de<http://www.id1.de/> Information Design One AG, Baseler Straße 10, 60329 Frankfurt am Main Registereintrag: Amtsgericht Frankfurt am Main, HRB 52596 Vorstand: Robert Peters, Benjamin Walther, Aufsichtsrat: Christian Hecht (Vorsitz)
