I fully agree with Fabian, we'd just be replacing an empty IRC with an
empty gitter.
On 27.08.2018 09:50, Fabian Hueske wrote:
Hi,
I don't think that recommending Gists is a good idea.
Sure, well formatted and highlighted code is nice and much better than
posting screenshots but Gists can be deleted.
Deleting a Gist would make an archived thread useless.
I would definitely support instructions on how to add code to a mail.
Regarding the overall topic of some kind of chat room.
I would not participate in that.
The Flink user mailing list is one of the most active user lists of
the ASF.
It's already quite challenging to keep up with the loads of mails.
Adding a synchronous channel to that would make things worse for me.
(That's probably also one of the reasons why the IRC channel is
abandoned.)
I can of course only speak for myself, but I would imaging that many
members of the community who are helping out on the mailing list feel
the same.
Best,
Fabian
Am So., 26. Aug. 2018 um 15:17 Uhr schrieb Nicos Maris
<nicos.ma...@gmail.com <mailto:nicos.ma...@gmail.com>>:
Hi Dominik,
I was writing about gitter just now :)
If searchability is an issue, then indeed we could consider the
free plan of gitter: https://billing.gitter.im
<https://billing.gitter.im/>
In any case, we should instruct users who paste code snippets at
the mailing list to use http://gist.github.com
On Sun, Aug 26, 2018 at 4:13 PM Dominik Wosiński <wos...@gmail.com
<mailto:wos...@gmail.com>> wrote:
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From: *Dominik Wosiński* <wos...@gmail.com
<mailto:wos...@gmail.com>>
Date: niedz., 26 sie 2018 o 15:12
Subject: ODP: would you join a Slack workspace for Flink?
To: Hequn Cheng <chenghe...@gmail.com
<mailto:chenghe...@gmail.com>>
Hey,
I have been facing this issue for multiple open source
projects and discussions. Slack in my opinion has two main
issues :
- the already mentioned issue with searching,
through search engine
- Slack is still commercial application.
The second issue is quite important, because for free version
Slack gives 10k messages of history. I personally think that
for Flink this would to loss all messages that are older than
a week possibly. This is the big issue as it woul most
certainly lead to asking the same questions over and over
again. I’ve seen really big slack groups for some big projects
where the history would last like 3-4 days and this is pure
nightmare.
The better solution would be to use gitter than Slack IMHO if
there is need for such way of communication.
Best Regards,
Dominik.
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*Od: *Hequn Cheng <mailto:chenghe...@gmail.com>
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*Temat: *Re: would you join a Slack workspace for Flink?
Hi Nicos,
Thanks for bring up this discussion. :-)
Slack is a good way to communicate, but it seems not very fit
for the open source field. The messages on Slack are mixed up
and can not be searched through search engine.
Best, Hequn
On Sun, Aug 26, 2018 at 7:22 PM Nicos Maris
<nicos.ma...@gmail.com <mailto:nicos.ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Chesnay can you take a look at the following PR?
https://github.com/apache/flink-web/pull/120
On Sun, Aug 26, 2018 at 1:09 PM Chesnay Schepler
<ches...@apache.org <mailto:ches...@apache.org>> wrote:
There have been previous discussions around using
slack and they were rejected.
Personally I would just remove the IRC channel; I'm
not aware of any committer actually spending time there.
On 25.08.2018 17:07, Nicos Maris wrote:
Hi all,
This mailing list is for user support and
questions. If you would also use slack for user
support and questions, then please vote at the
following ticket. If you don't have an account at
that jira, you can reply to this email with a "+1".
[FLINK-10217
<https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-3862>] use
Slack for user support and questions
Current status
For user support and questions, users are
instructed to subscribe to user@flink.apache.org
<mailto:user@flink.apache.org> but there are users
like me who enjoy using also a chat channel.
However, the instructions to do so are not clear
and the IRC activity is low and it is definitely
not indicative of the project's activity
<https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-3862?focusedCommentId=16152376&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel#comment-16152376>.
The website
<https://flink.apache.org/community.html> mentions
that "If you want to talk with the Flink
committers and users in a chat, there is an IRC
channel
<https://flink.apache.org/community.html#irc>."
Option 1: Use Slack
An example of an Apache project that is using
Slack
<https://tedium.co/2017/10/17/irc-vs-slack-chat-history> is:
http://mesos.apache.org/community
I can assist on setting it up if at least one
expert joins from the very beginning.
Option 2: Keep using IRC and document it
Add the missing section
<https://github.com/apache/flink-web/blob/master/community.md#irc> at
the website along with instructions for people who
have never used IRC.
Option 3: Use only the mailing list
Use only user@flink.apache.org
<mailto:user@flink.apache.org> for user support
and questions and do not mention IRC at the website.
