It's probably not ideal, but also not really a bug. We need to create the
table in the schema to see if it exists on disk so we know whether or not
to migrate it, and when we learn it's empty, we remove it from the schema
but we dont delete the directory. It's not great, but it's not going to
cause you any problems.

That said: 3.0.11 may cause you problems, you should strongly consider
3.0.16 instead.

On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 1:47 PM, Luigi Tagliamonte <
luigi.tagliamont...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello everybody,
> i'm having a problem with a brand new cassandra:3.0.11 node. The following
> tables belonging to the system keyspace:
>
> - schema_aggregates
> - schema_columnfamilies
> - schema_columns
> - schema_functions
> - schema_keyspaces
> - schema_triggers
> - schema_usertypes
>
>
> get initialised on disk:
>
> *root@ip-10-48-93-149:/var/lib/cassandra/data/system# pwd*
> /var/lib/cassandra/data/system
>
> *root@ip-10-48-93-149:/var/lib/cassandra/data/system# ls -1*
> IndexInfo-9f5c6374d48532299a0a5094af9ad1e3
> available_ranges-c539fcabd65a31d18133d25605643ee3
> batches-919a4bc57a333573b03e13fc3f68b465
> batchlog-0290003c977e397cac3efdfdc01d626b
> built_views-4b3c50a9ea873d7691016dbc9c38494a
> compaction_history-b4dbb7b4dc493fb5b3bfce6e434832ca
> hints-2666e20573ef38b390fefecf96e8f0c7
> local-7ad54392bcdd35a684174e047860b377
> paxos-b7b7f0c2fd0a34108c053ef614bb7c2d
> peer_events-59dfeaea8db2334191ef109974d81484
> peers-37f71aca7dc2383ba70672528af04d4f
> range_xfers-55d764384e553f8b9f6e676d4af3976d
> schema_aggregates-a5fc57fc9d6c3bfda3fc01ad54686fea
> schema_columnfamilies-45f5b36024bc3f83a3631034ea4fa697
> schema_columns-296e9c049bec3085827dc17d3df2122a
> schema_functions-d1b675fe2b503ca48e49c0f81989dcad
> schema_keyspaces-b0f2235744583cdb9631c43e59ce3676
> schema_triggers-0359bc7171233ee19a4ab9dfb11fc125
> schema_usertypes-3aa752254f82350b8d5c430fa221fa0a
> size_estimates-618f817b005f3678b8a453f3930b8e86
> sstable_activity-5a1ff267ace03f128563cfae6103c65e
> views_builds_in_progress-b7f2c10878cd3c809cd5d609b2bd149c
>
>
>
> but if I describe the system keyspace those cf are not present.
>
> cassandra@cqlsh> DESCRIBE KEYSPACE system;
>
> CREATE KEYSPACE system WITH replication = {'class': 'LocalStrategy'}  AND
> durable_writes = true;
>
> CREATE TABLE system.available_ranges (
>     keyspace_name text PRIMARY KEY,
>     ranges set<blob>
> ) WITH bloom_filter_fp_chance = 0.01
>     AND caching = {'keys': 'ALL', 'rows_per_partition': 'NONE'}
>     AND comment = 'available keyspace/ranges during bootstrap/replace that
> are ready to be served'
>     AND compaction = {'class': 
> 'org.apache.cassandra.db.compaction.SizeTieredCompactionStrategy',
> 'max_threshold': '32', 'min_threshold': '4'}
>     AND compression = {'chunk_length_in_kb': '64', 'class': '
> org.apache.cassandra.io.compress.LZ4Compressor'}
>     AND crc_check_chance = 1.0
>     AND dclocal_read_repair_chance = 0.0
>     AND default_time_to_live = 0
>     AND gc_grace_seconds = 0
>     AND max_index_interval = 2048
>     AND memtable_flush_period_in_ms = 3600000
>     AND min_index_interval = 128
>     AND read_repair_chance = 0.0
>     AND speculative_retry = '99PERCENTILE';
>
> CREATE TABLE system.batches (
>     id timeuuid PRIMARY KEY,
>     mutations list<blob>,
>     version int
> ) WITH bloom_filter_fp_chance = 0.01
>     AND caching = {'keys': 'ALL', 'rows_per_partition': 'NONE'}
>     AND comment = 'batches awaiting replay'
>     AND compaction = {'class': 
> 'org.apache.cassandra.db.compaction.SizeTieredCompactionStrategy',
> 'max_threshold': '32', 'min_threshold': '2'}
>     AND compression = {'chunk_length_in_kb': '64', 'class': '
> org.apache.cassandra.io.compress.LZ4Compressor'}
>     AND crc_check_chance = 1.0
>     AND dclocal_read_repair_chance = 0.0
>     AND default_time_to_live = 0
>     AND gc_grace_seconds = 0
>     AND max_index_interval = 2048
>     AND memtable_flush_period_in_ms = 3600000
>     AND min_index_interval = 128
>     AND read_repair_chance = 0.0
>     AND speculative_retry = '99PERCENTILE';
>
> CREATE TABLE system."IndexInfo" (
>     table_name text,
>     index_name text,
>     PRIMARY KEY (table_name, index_name)
> ) WITH COMPACT STORAGE
>     AND CLUSTERING ORDER BY (index_name ASC)
>     AND bloom_filter_fp_chance = 0.01
>     AND caching = {'keys': 'ALL', 'rows_per_partition': 'NONE'}
>     AND comment = 'built column indexes'
>     AND compaction = {'class': 
> 'org.apache.cassandra.db.compaction.SizeTieredCompactionStrategy',
> 'max_threshold': '32', 'min_threshold': '4'}
>     AND compression = {'chunk_length_in_kb': '64', 'class': '
> org.apache.cassandra.io.compress.LZ4Compressor'}
>     AND crc_check_chance = 1.0
>     AND dclocal_read_repair_chance = 0.0
>     AND default_time_to_live = 0
>     AND gc_grace_seconds = 0
>     AND max_index_interval = 2048
>     AND memtable_flush_period_in_ms = 3600000
>     AND min_index_interval = 128
>     AND read_repair_chance = 0.0
>     AND speculative_retry = '99PERCENTILE';
>
> CREATE TABLE system.views_builds_in_progress (
>     keyspace_name text,
>     view_name text,
>     generation_number int,
>     last_token text,
>     PRIMARY KEY (keyspace_name, view_name)
> ) WITH CLUSTERING ORDER BY (view_name ASC)
>     AND bloom_filter_fp_chance = 0.01
>     AND caching = {'keys': 'ALL', 'rows_per_partition': 'NONE'}
>     AND comment = 'views builds current progress'
>     AND compaction = {'class': 
> 'org.apache.cassandra.db.compaction.SizeTieredCompactionStrategy',
> 'max_threshold': '32', 'min_threshold': '4'}
>     AND compression = {'chunk_length_in_kb': '64', 'class': '
> org.apache.cassandra.io.compress.LZ4Compressor'}
>     AND crc_check_chance = 1.0
>     AND dclocal_read_repair_chance = 0.0
>     AND default_time_to_live = 0
>     AND gc_grace_seconds = 0
>     AND max_index_interval = 2048
>     AND memtable_flush_period_in_ms = 3600000
>     AND min_index_interval = 128
>     AND read_repair_chance = 0.0
>     AND speculative_retry = '99PERCENTILE';
>
> CREATE TABLE system.peers (
>     peer inet PRIMARY KEY,
>     data_center text,
>     host_id uuid,
>     preferred_ip inet,
>     rack text,
>     release_version text,
>     rpc_address inet,
>     schema_version uuid,
>     tokens set<text>
> ) WITH bloom_filter_fp_chance = 0.01
>     AND caching = {'keys': 'ALL', 'rows_per_partition': 'NONE'}
>     AND comment = 'information about known peers in the cluster'
>     AND compaction = {'class': 
> 'org.apache.cassandra.db.compaction.SizeTieredCompactionStrategy',
> 'max_threshold': '32', 'min_threshold': '4'}
>     AND compression = {'chunk_length_in_kb': '64', 'class': '
> org.apache.cassandra.io.compress.LZ4Compressor'}
>     AND crc_check_chance = 1.0
>     AND dclocal_read_repair_chance = 0.0
>     AND default_time_to_live = 0
>     AND gc_grace_seconds = 0
>     AND max_index_interval = 2048
>     AND memtable_flush_period_in_ms = 3600000
>     AND min_index_interval = 128
>     AND read_repair_chance = 0.0
>     AND speculative_retry = '99PERCENTILE';
>
> CREATE TABLE system.compaction_history (
>     id uuid PRIMARY KEY,
>     bytes_in bigint,
>     bytes_out bigint,
>     columnfamily_name text,
>     compacted_at timestamp,
>     keyspace_name text,
>     rows_merged map<int, bigint>
> ) WITH bloom_filter_fp_chance = 0.01
>     AND caching = {'keys': 'ALL', 'rows_per_partition': 'NONE'}
>     AND comment = 'week-long compaction history'
>     AND compaction = {'class': 
> 'org.apache.cassandra.db.compaction.SizeTieredCompactionStrategy',
> 'max_threshold': '32', 'min_threshold': '4'}
>     AND compression = {'chunk_length_in_kb': '64', 'class': '
> org.apache.cassandra.io.compress.LZ4Compressor'}
>     AND crc_check_chance = 1.0
>     AND dclocal_read_repair_chance = 0.0
>     AND default_time_to_live = 604800
>     AND gc_grace_seconds = 0
>     AND max_index_interval = 2048
>     AND memtable_flush_period_in_ms = 3600000
>     AND min_index_interval = 128
>     AND read_repair_chance = 0.0
>     AND speculative_retry = '99PERCENTILE';
>
> CREATE TABLE system.sstable_activity (
>     keyspace_name text,
>     columnfamily_name text,
>     generation int,
>     rate_120m double,
>     rate_15m double,
>     PRIMARY KEY ((keyspace_name, columnfamily_name, generation))
> ) WITH bloom_filter_fp_chance = 0.01
>     AND caching = {'keys': 'ALL', 'rows_per_partition': 'NONE'}
>     AND comment = 'historic sstable read rates'
>     AND compaction = {'class': 
> 'org.apache.cassandra.db.compaction.SizeTieredCompactionStrategy',
> 'max_threshold': '32', 'min_threshold': '4'}
>     AND compression = {'chunk_length_in_kb': '64', 'class': '
> org.apache.cassandra.io.compress.LZ4Compressor'}
>     AND crc_check_chance = 1.0
>     AND dclocal_read_repair_chance = 0.0
>     AND default_time_to_live = 0
>     AND gc_grace_seconds = 0
>     AND max_index_interval = 2048
>     AND memtable_flush_period_in_ms = 3600000
>     AND min_index_interval = 128
>     AND read_repair_chance = 0.0
>     AND speculative_retry = '99PERCENTILE';
>
> CREATE TABLE system.peer_events (
>     peer inet PRIMARY KEY,
>     hints_dropped map<uuid, int>
> ) WITH bloom_filter_fp_chance = 0.01
>     AND caching = {'keys': 'ALL', 'rows_per_partition': 'NONE'}
>     AND comment = 'events related to peers'
>     AND compaction = {'class': 
> 'org.apache.cassandra.db.compaction.SizeTieredCompactionStrategy',
> 'max_threshold': '32', 'min_threshold': '4'}
>     AND compression = {'chunk_length_in_kb': '64', 'class': '
> org.apache.cassandra.io.compress.LZ4Compressor'}
>     AND crc_check_chance = 1.0
>     AND dclocal_read_repair_chance = 0.0
>     AND default_time_to_live = 0
>     AND gc_grace_seconds = 0
>     AND max_index_interval = 2048
>     AND memtable_flush_period_in_ms = 3600000
>     AND min_index_interval = 128
>     AND read_repair_chance = 0.0
>     AND speculative_retry = '99PERCENTILE';
>
> CREATE TABLE system.paxos (
>     row_key blob,
>     cf_id uuid,
>     in_progress_ballot timeuuid,
>     most_recent_commit blob,
>     most_recent_commit_at timeuuid,
>     most_recent_commit_version int,
>     proposal blob,
>     proposal_ballot timeuuid,
>     proposal_version int,
>     PRIMARY KEY (row_key, cf_id)
> ) WITH CLUSTERING ORDER BY (cf_id ASC)
>     AND bloom_filter_fp_chance = 0.01
>     AND caching = {'keys': 'ALL', 'rows_per_partition': 'NONE'}
>     AND comment = 'in-progress paxos proposals'
>     AND compaction = {'class': 'org.apache.cassandra.db.compaction.
> LeveledCompactionStrategy'}
>     AND compression = {'chunk_length_in_kb': '64', 'class': '
> org.apache.cassandra.io.compress.LZ4Compressor'}
>     AND crc_check_chance = 1.0
>     AND dclocal_read_repair_chance = 0.0
>     AND default_time_to_live = 0
>     AND gc_grace_seconds = 0
>     AND max_index_interval = 2048
>     AND memtable_flush_period_in_ms = 3600000
>     AND min_index_interval = 128
>     AND read_repair_chance = 0.0
>     AND speculative_retry = '99PERCENTILE';
>
> CREATE TABLE system.batchlog (
>     id uuid PRIMARY KEY,
>     data blob,
>     version int,
>     written_at timestamp
> ) WITH bloom_filter_fp_chance = 0.01
>     AND caching = {'keys': 'ALL', 'rows_per_partition': 'NONE'}
>     AND comment = '*DEPRECATED* batchlog entries'
>     AND compaction = {'class': 
> 'org.apache.cassandra.db.compaction.SizeTieredCompactionStrategy',
> 'max_threshold': '32', 'min_threshold': '2'}
>     AND compression = {'chunk_length_in_kb': '64', 'class': '
> org.apache.cassandra.io.compress.LZ4Compressor'}
>     AND crc_check_chance = 1.0
>     AND dclocal_read_repair_chance = 0.0
>     AND default_time_to_live = 0
>     AND gc_grace_seconds = 0
>     AND max_index_interval = 2048
>     AND memtable_flush_period_in_ms = 3600000
>     AND min_index_interval = 128
>     AND read_repair_chance = 0.0
>     AND speculative_retry = '99PERCENTILE';
>
> CREATE TABLE system.size_estimates (
>     keyspace_name text,
>     table_name text,
>     range_start text,
>     range_end text,
>     mean_partition_size bigint,
>     partitions_count bigint,
>     PRIMARY KEY (keyspace_name, table_name, range_start, range_end)
> ) WITH CLUSTERING ORDER BY (table_name ASC, range_start ASC, range_end ASC)
>     AND bloom_filter_fp_chance = 0.01
>     AND caching = {'keys': 'ALL', 'rows_per_partition': 'NONE'}
>     AND comment = 'per-table primary range size estimates'
>     AND compaction = {'class': 
> 'org.apache.cassandra.db.compaction.SizeTieredCompactionStrategy',
> 'max_threshold': '32', 'min_threshold': '4'}
>     AND compression = {'chunk_length_in_kb': '64', 'class': '
> org.apache.cassandra.io.compress.LZ4Compressor'}
>     AND crc_check_chance = 1.0
>     AND dclocal_read_repair_chance = 0.0
>     AND default_time_to_live = 0
>     AND gc_grace_seconds = 0
>     AND max_index_interval = 2048
>     AND memtable_flush_period_in_ms = 3600000
>     AND min_index_interval = 128
>     AND read_repair_chance = 0.0
>     AND speculative_retry = '99PERCENTILE';
>
> CREATE TABLE system.built_views (
>     keyspace_name text,
>     view_name text,
>     PRIMARY KEY (keyspace_name, view_name)
> ) WITH CLUSTERING ORDER BY (view_name ASC)
>     AND bloom_filter_fp_chance = 0.01
>     AND caching = {'keys': 'ALL', 'rows_per_partition': 'NONE'}
>     AND comment = 'built views'
>     AND compaction = {'class': 
> 'org.apache.cassandra.db.compaction.SizeTieredCompactionStrategy',
> 'max_threshold': '32', 'min_threshold': '4'}
>     AND compression = {'chunk_length_in_kb': '64', 'class': '
> org.apache.cassandra.io.compress.LZ4Compressor'}
>     AND crc_check_chance = 1.0
>     AND dclocal_read_repair_chance = 0.0
>     AND default_time_to_live = 0
>     AND gc_grace_seconds = 0
>     AND max_index_interval = 2048
>     AND memtable_flush_period_in_ms = 3600000
>     AND min_index_interval = 128
>     AND read_repair_chance = 0.0
>     AND speculative_retry = '99PERCENTILE';
>
> CREATE TABLE system.range_xfers (
>     token_bytes blob PRIMARY KEY,
>     requested_at timestamp
> ) WITH bloom_filter_fp_chance = 0.01
>     AND caching = {'keys': 'ALL', 'rows_per_partition': 'NONE'}
>     AND comment = 'ranges requested for transfer'
>     AND compaction = {'class': 
> 'org.apache.cassandra.db.compaction.SizeTieredCompactionStrategy',
> 'max_threshold': '32', 'min_threshold': '4'}
>     AND compression = {'chunk_length_in_kb': '64', 'class': '
> org.apache.cassandra.io.compress.LZ4Compressor'}
>     AND crc_check_chance = 1.0
>     AND dclocal_read_repair_chance = 0.0
>     AND default_time_to_live = 0
>     AND gc_grace_seconds = 0
>     AND max_index_interval = 2048
>     AND memtable_flush_period_in_ms = 3600000
>     AND min_index_interval = 128
>     AND read_repair_chance = 0.0
>     AND speculative_retry = '99PERCENTILE';
>
> CREATE TABLE system.local (
>     key text PRIMARY KEY,
>     bootstrapped text,
>     broadcast_address inet,
>     cluster_name text,
>     cql_version text,
>     data_center text,
>     gossip_generation int,
>     host_id uuid,
>     listen_address inet,
>     native_protocol_version text,
>     partitioner text,
>     rack text,
>     release_version text,
>     rpc_address inet,
>     schema_version uuid,
>     thrift_version text,
>     tokens set<text>,
>     truncated_at map<uuid, blob>
> ) WITH bloom_filter_fp_chance = 0.01
>     AND caching = {'keys': 'ALL', 'rows_per_partition': 'NONE'}
>     AND comment = 'information about the local node'
>     AND compaction = {'class': 
> 'org.apache.cassandra.db.compaction.SizeTieredCompactionStrategy',
> 'max_threshold': '32', 'min_threshold': '4'}
>     AND compression = {'chunk_length_in_kb': '64', 'class': '
> org.apache.cassandra.io.compress.LZ4Compressor'}
>     AND crc_check_chance = 1.0
>     AND dclocal_read_repair_chance = 0.0
>     AND default_time_to_live = 0
>     AND gc_grace_seconds = 0
>     AND max_index_interval = 2048
>     AND memtable_flush_period_in_ms = 3600000
>     AND min_index_interval = 128
>     AND read_repair_chance = 0.0
>     AND speculative_retry = '99PERCENTILE';
>
> CREATE TABLE system.hints (
>     target_id uuid,
>     hint_id timeuuid,
>     message_version int,
>     mutation blob,
>     PRIMARY KEY (target_id, hint_id, message_version)
> ) WITH COMPACT STORAGE
>     AND CLUSTERING ORDER BY (hint_id ASC, message_version ASC)
>     AND bloom_filter_fp_chance = 0.01
>     AND caching = {'keys': 'ALL', 'rows_per_partition': 'NONE'}
>     AND comment = '*DEPRECATED* hints awaiting delivery'
>     AND compaction = {'class': 
> 'org.apache.cassandra.db.compaction.SizeTieredCompactionStrategy',
> 'enabled': 'false', 'max_threshold': '32', 'min_threshold': '4'}
>     AND compression = {'chunk_length_in_kb': '64', 'class': '
> org.apache.cassandra.io.compress.LZ4Compressor'}
>     AND crc_check_chance = 1.0
>     AND dclocal_read_repair_chance = 0.0
>     AND default_time_to_live = 0
>     AND gc_grace_seconds = 0
>     AND max_index_interval = 2048
>     AND memtable_flush_period_in_ms = 3600000
>     AND min_index_interval = 128
>     AND read_repair_chance = 0.0
>     AND speculative_retry = '99PERCENTILE';
>
>
> The boot logs show:
>
> Apr 17 19:58:22 ip-10-48-93-149.us-west-2.compute.internal docker[1469]:
> cassandra: INFO Initializing system.schema_keyspaces
> Apr 17 19:58:22 ip-10-48-93-149.us-west-2.compute.internal docker[1469]:
> cassandra: INFO Initializing system.schema_columnfamilies
> Apr 17 19:58:22 ip-10-48-93-149.us-west-2.compute.internal docker[1469]:
> cassandra: INFO Initializing system.schema_columns
> Apr 17 19:58:22 ip-10-48-93-149.us-west-2.compute.internal docker[1469]:
> cassandra: INFO Initializing system.schema_triggers
> Apr 17 19:58:22 ip-10-48-93-149.us-west-2.compute.internal docker[1469]:
> cassandra: INFO Initializing system.schema_usertypes
> Apr 17 19:58:22 ip-10-48-93-149.us-west-2.compute.internal docker[1469]:
> cassandra: INFO Initializing system.schema_functions
> Apr 17 19:58:22 ip-10-48-93-149.us-west-2.compute.internal docker[1469]:
> cassandra: INFO Initializing system.schema_aggregates
>
>
> but also:
>
> Apr 17 19:58:23 ip-10-48-93-149.us-west-2.compute.internal docker[1469]:
> cassandra: INFO Initializing system_schema.keyspaces
> Apr 17 19:58:23 ip-10-48-93-149.us-west-2.compute.internal docker[1469]:
> cassandra: INFO Initializing system_schema.tables
> Apr 17 19:58:23 ip-10-48-93-149.us-west-2.compute.internal docker[1469]:
> cassandra: INFO Initializing system_schema.columns
> Apr 17 19:58:23 ip-10-48-93-149.us-west-2.compute.internal docker[1469]:
> cassandra: INFO Initializing system_schema.triggers
> Apr 17 19:58:23 ip-10-48-93-149.us-west-2.compute.internal docker[1469]:
> cassandra: INFO Initializing system_schema.dropped_columns
> Apr 17 19:58:23 ip-10-48-93-149.us-west-2.compute.internal docker[1469]:
> cassandra: INFO Initializing system_schema.views
> Apr 17 19:58:23 ip-10-48-93-149.us-west-2.compute.internal docker[1469]:
> cassandra: INFO Initializing system_schema.types
> Apr 17 19:58:23 ip-10-48-93-149.us-west-2.compute.internal docker[1469]:
> cassandra: INFO Initializing system_schema.functions
> Apr 17 19:58:23 ip-10-48-93-149.us-west-2.compute.internal docker[1469]:
> cassandra: INFO Initializing system_schema.aggregates
>
>
> basically the "same" cf in the system_schema namespace.
>
> I believe that the at the beginning the cfs where part of the system
> keyspace and then moved to the system_schema keyspace, am I right?
>
> If yes, is this a bug to open in order to avoid to create those cf in the
> system data folder?
> I already searched in Jira without any luck.
>
> Thank you in advance.
> Regards
> L.
>

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