I am not familiar with that part of the code yet. But what if the gc_grace
was changed to a lower value as part of a schema migration after the hints
have been marked with TTLs equal to the lower gc_grace before the
migration?

>From what you've described, I think this is not an issue for us as we did
not have a node down for a long period of time, but just pointing out what
I think could happen based on what you've described.

On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 10:03 AM, aaron morton <aa...@thelastpickle.com>wrote:

> I could imagine a  scenario where a hint was replayed to a replica after
> all replicas had purged their tombstones
>
> Scratch that, the hints are TTL'd with the lowest gc_grace.
> Ticket closed https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CASSANDRA-5379
>
> Cheers
>
> -----------------
> Aaron Morton
> Freelance Cassandra Consultant
> New Zealand
>
> @aaronmorton
> http://www.thelastpickle.com
>
> On 24/03/2013, at 6:24 AM, aaron morton <aa...@thelastpickle.com> wrote:
>
> Beside the joke, would hinted handoff really have any role in this issue?
>
> I could imagine a  scenario where a hint was replayed to a replica after
> all replicas had purged their tombstones. That seems like a long shot, it
> would need one node to be down for the write and all up for the delete and
> for all of them to have purged the tombstone. But maybe we should have a
> max age on hints so it cannot happen.
>
> Created https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CASSANDRA-5379
>
> Ensuring no hints are in place during an upgrade would work around. I tend
> to make sure hints and commit log are clear during an upgrade.
>
> Cheers
>
> -----------------
> Aaron Morton
> Freelance Cassandra Consultant
> New Zealand
>
> @aaronmorton
> http://www.thelastpickle.com
>
> On 22/03/2013, at 7:54 AM, Arya Goudarzi <gouda...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Beside the joke, would hinted handoff really have any role in this issue?
> I have been struggling to reproduce this issue using the snapshot data
> taken from our cluster and following the same upgrade process from 1.1.6 to
> 1.1.10. I know snapshots only link to active SSTables. What if these
> returned rows belong to some inactive SSTables and some bug exposed itself
> and marked them as active? What are the possibilities that could lead to
> this? I am eager to find our as this is blocking our upgrade.
>
> On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 2:11 AM, <moshe.kr...@barclays.com> wrote:
>
>> This obscure feature of Cassandra is called “haunted handoff”.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Happy (early) April Fools J****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* aaron morton [mailto:aa...@thelastpickle.com]
>> *Sent:* Monday, March 18, 2013 7:45 PM
>> *To:* user@cassandra.apache.org
>> *Subject:* Re: Lots of Deleted Rows Came back after upgrade 1.1.6 to
>> 1.1.10****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> As you see, this node thinks lots of ranges are out of sync which
>> shouldn't be the case as successful repairs where done every night prior to
>> the upgrade. ****
>>
>> Could this be explained by writes occurring during the upgrade process ?
>> ****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> I found this bug which touches timestamp and tomstones which was fixed in
>> 1.1.10 but am not 100% sure if it could be related to this issue:
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CASSANDRA-5153****
>>
>> Me neither, but the issue was fixed in 1.1.0****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>>  It appears that the repair task that I executed after upgrade, brought
>> back lots of deleted rows into life.****
>>
>> Was it entire rows or columns in a row?****
>>
>> Do you know if row level or column level deletes were used ? ****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Can you look at the data in cassanca-cli and confirm the timestamps on
>> the columns make sense ?  ****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Cheers****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> -----------------****
>>
>> Aaron Morton****
>>
>> Freelance Cassandra Consultant****
>>
>> New Zealand****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> @aaronmorton****
>>
>> http://www.thelastpickle.com****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> On 16/03/2013, at 2:31 PM, Arya Goudarzi <gouda...@gmail.com> wrote:****
>>
>>
>>
>> ****
>>
>> Hi,****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> I have upgraded our test cluster from 1.1.6 to 1.1.10. Followed by
>> running repairs. It appears that the repair task that I executed after
>> upgrade, brought back lots of deleted rows into life. Here are some
>> logistics:****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> - The upgraded cluster started from 1.1.1 -> 1.1.2 -> 1.1.5 -> 1.1.6 ****
>>
>> - Old cluster: 4 node, C* 1.1.6 with RF3 using NetworkTopology;****
>>
>> - Upgrade to : 1.1.10 with all other settings the same;****
>>
>> - Successful repairs were being done on this cluster every night;****
>>
>> - Our clients use nanosecond precision timestamp for cassandra calls;****
>>
>> - After upgrade, while running repair I say some log messages like this
>> in one node:****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> system.log.5: INFO [AntiEntropyStage:1] 2013-03-15 19:55:54,847
>> AntiEntropyService.java (line 1022) [repair
>> #0990f320-8da9-11e2-0000-e9b2bd8ea1bd] Endpoints /XX.194.60 and /
>> 23.20.207.56 have 2223 range(s) out of sync for App****
>>
>> system.log.5: INFO [AntiEntropyStage:1] 2013-03-15 19:55:54,877
>> AntiEntropyService.java (line 1022) [repair
>> #0990f320-8da9-11e2-0000-e9b2bd8ea1bd] Endpoints /XX.250.43 and /
>> 23.20.207.56 have 161 range(s) out of sync for App****
>>
>> system.log.5: INFO [AntiEntropyStage:1] 2013-03-15 19:55:55,097
>> AntiEntropyService.java (line 1022) [repair
>> #0990f320-8da9-11e2-0000-e9b2bd8ea1bd] Endpoints /XX.194.60 and /
>> 23.20.250.43 have 2294 range(s) out of sync for App****
>>
>> system.log.5: INFO [AntiEntropyStage:1] 2013-03-15 19:55:59,190
>> AntiEntropyService.java (line 789) [repair
>> #0990f320-8da9-11e2-0000-e9b2bd8ea1bd] App is fully synced (13 remaining
>> column family to sync for this session)****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> As you see, this node thinks lots of ranges are out of sync which
>> shouldn't be the case as successful repairs where done every night prior to
>> the upgrade. ****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> The App CF uses SizeTiered with gc_grace of 10 days. It has caching =
>> 'ALL', and it is fairly small (11Mb on each node).****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> I found this bug which touches timestamp and tomstones which was fixed in
>> 1.1.10 but am not 100% sure if it could be related to this issue:
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CASSANDRA-5153****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Any advice on how to dig deeper into this would be appreciated.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Thanks,****
>>
>> -Arya****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> ** **
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