My conclusion is lame: I tried this on several hosts and saw the same
behavior, the only way I was able to join new nodes was to first start them
when they are *not in* their own seeds list and after they
finish transferring the data, then restart them with themselves *in* their
own seeds list. After doing that the node would join the ring.
This is either my misunderstanding or a bug, but the only place I found it
documented stated that the new node should not be in its own seeds list.
Version 0.6.6.

On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 10:35 AM, David Boxenhorn <da...@lookin2.com> wrote:

> My nodes all have themselves in their list of seeds - always did - and
> everything works. (You may ask why I did this. I don't know, I must have
> copied it from an example somewhere.)
>
> On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 9:42 AM, Ran Tavory <ran...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I was able to make the node join the ring but I'm confused.
>> What I did is, first when adding the node, this node was not in the seeds
>> list of itself. AFAIK this is how it's supposed to be. So it was able to
>> transfer all data to itself from other nodes but then it stayed in the
>> bootstrapping state.
>> So what I did (and I don't know why it works), is add this node to the
>> seeds list in its own storage-conf.xml file. Then restart the server and
>> then I finally see it in the ring...
>> If I had added the node to the seeds list of itself when first joining it,
>> it would not join the ring but if I do it in two phases it did work.
>> So it's either my misunderstanding or a bug...
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 7:14 AM, Ran Tavory <ran...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The new node does not see itself as part of the ring, it sees all others
>>> but itself, so from that perspective the view is consistent.
>>> The only problem is that the node never finishes to bootstrap. It stays
>>> in this state for hours (It's been 20 hours now...)
>>>
>>>
>>> $ bin/nodetool -p 9004 -h localhost streams
>>>> Mode: Bootstrapping
>>>> Not sending any streams.
>>>> Not receiving any streams.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 1:20 AM, Nate McCall <n...@riptano.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Does the new node have itself in the list of seeds per chance? This
>>>> could cause some issues if so.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 4:10 PM, Ran Tavory <ran...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> > I'm still at lost.   I haven't been able to resolve this. I tried
>>>> > adding another node at a different location on the ring but this node
>>>> > too remains stuck in the bootstrapping state for many hours without
>>>> > any of the other nodes being busy with anti compaction or anything
>>>> > else. I don't know what's keeping it from finishing the bootstrap,no
>>>> > CPU, no io, files were already streamed so what is it waiting for?
>>>> > I read the release notes of 0.6.7 and 0.6.8 and there didn't seem to
>>>> > be anything addressing a similar issue so I figured there was no point
>>>> > in upgrading. But let me know if you think there is.
>>>> > Or any other advice...
>>>> >
>>>> > On Tuesday, January 4, 2011, Ran Tavory <ran...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >> Thanks Jake, but unfortunately the streams directory is empty so I
>>>> don't think that any of the nodes is anti-compacting data right now or had
>>>> been in the past 5 hours. It seems that all the data was already 
>>>> transferred
>>>> to the joining host but the joining node, after having received the data
>>>> would still remain in bootstrapping mode and not join the cluster. I'm not
>>>> sure that *all* data was transferred (perhaps other nodes need to transfer
>>>> more data) but nothing is actually happening so I assume all has been 
>>>> moved.
>>>> >> Perhaps it's a configuration error from my part. Should I use I use
>>>> AutoBootstrap=true ? Anything else I should look out for in the
>>>> configuration file or something else?
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 4:08 PM, Jake Luciani <jak...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> In 0.6, locate the node doing anti-compaction and look in the
>>>> "streams" subdirectory in the keyspace data dir to monitor the
>>>> anti-compaction progress (it puts new SSTables for bootstrapping node in
>>>> there)
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 8:01 AM, Ran Tavory <ran...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Running nodetool decommission didn't help. Actually the node refused
>>>> to decommission itself (b/c it wasn't part of the ring). So I simply 
>>>> stopped
>>>> the process, deleted all the data directories and started it again. It
>>>> worked in the sense of the node bootstrapped again but as before, after it
>>>> had finished moving the data nothing happened for a long time (I'm still
>>>> waiting, but nothing seems to be happening).
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Any hints how to analyze a "stuck" bootstrapping node??thanks
>>>> >> On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 1:51 PM, Ran Tavory <ran...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >> Thanks Shimi, so indeed anticompaction was run on one of the other
>>>> nodes from the same DC but to my understanding it has already ended. A few
>>>> hour ago...
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I plenty of log messages such as [1] which ended a couple of hours
>>>> ago, and I've seen the new node streaming and accepting the data from the
>>>> node which performed the anticompaction and so far it was normal so it
>>>> seemed that data is at its right place. But now the new node seems sort of
>>>> stuck. None of the other nodes is anticompacting right now or had been
>>>> anticompacting since then.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> The new node's CPU is close to zero, it's iostats are almost zero so
>>>> I can't find another bottleneck that would keep it hanging.
>>>> >> On the IRC someone suggested I'd maybe retry to join this node,
>>>> e.g. decommission and rejoin it again. I'll try it now...
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> [1] INFO [COMPACTION-POOL:1] 2011-01-04 04:04:09,721
>>>> CompactionManager.java (line 338) AntiCompacting
>>>> [org.apache.cassandra.io.SSTableReader(path='/outbrain/cassandra/data/outbrain_kvdb/KvAds-6449-Data.db')]
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>  INFO [COMPACTION-POOL:1] 2011-01-04 04:34:18,683
>>>> CompactionManager.java (line 338) AntiCompacting
>>>> [org.apache.cassandra.io.SSTableReader(path='/outbrain/cassandra/data/outbrain_kvdb/KvImpressions-3874-Data.db'),org.apache.cassandra.io.SSTableReader(path='/outbrain/cassandra/data/outbrain_kvdb/KvImpressions-3873-Data.db'),org.apache.cassandra.io.SSTableReader(path='/outbrain/cassandra/data/outbrain_kvdb/KvImpressions-3876-Data.db')]
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>  INFO [COMPACTION-POOL:1] 2011-01-04 04:34:19,132
>>>> CompactionManager.java (line 338) AntiCompacting
>>>> [org.apache.cassandra.io.SSTableReader(path='/outbrain/cassandra/data/outbrain_kvdb/KvRatings-951-Data.db'),org.apache.cassandra.io.SSTableReader(path='/outbrain/cassandra/data/outbrain_kvdb/KvRatings-976-Data.db'),org.apache.cassandra.io.SSTableReader(path='/outbrain/cassandra/data/outbrain_kvdb/KvRatings-978-Data.db')]
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>  INFO [COMPACTION-POOL:1] 2011-01-04 04:34:26,486
>>>> CompactionManager.java (line 338) AntiCompacting
>>>> [org.apache.cassandra.io.SSTableReader(path='/outbrain/cassandra/data/outbrain_kvdb/KvAds-6449-Data.db')]
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 12:45 PM, shimi <shim...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> In my experience most of the time it takes for a node to join the
>>>> cluster is the anticompaction on the other nodes. The streaming part is 
>>>> very
>>>> fast.
>>>> >> Check the other nodes logs to see if there is any node doing
>>>> anticompaction.I don't remember how much data I had in the cluster when I
>>>> needed to add/remove nodes. I do remember that it took a few hours.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> The node will join the ring only when it will finish the bootstrap.
>>>> >> --
>>>> >> /Ran
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> > --
>>>> > /Ran
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> /Ran
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> /Ran
>>
>>
>


-- 
/Ran

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