Luxury! We're the reason that they had to invent CMM level zero! You have it easy! :-)
>-----Original Message----- >From: Erik Hatcher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 12:47 PM >To: Ant Users List >Subject: Re: New Ant GUI - 'Ant's Nest' > > > >On Jan 7, 2005, at 12:20 PM, Chris Clohosy wrote: >> Erik, I'm sorry as it seems I've offended you. No excuses, >it appears >> I haven't dug as deep into Ant as I could have. I promise not to be >> disheartened by your comments (too many students give up after >> criticism) but to instead look into the resources you >mentioned; when >> I'm not revising for my exams. > >I apologize for coming across as offended. The bulk of my frustration >comes from my recent personal experiences of dealing with >developers at >the University that I discoverd are not using version control, >have not >read the book on the framework they are stumbling with and do not read >partake in the e-mail lists, and also seeing various groups here work >in isolation without communicating between themselves. > >Please take the frustration out of my comments and distill the >constructive parts of it, as you mentioned. > > Erik > > >> >> Chris >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erik Hatcher" >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "Ant Users List" <user@ant.apache.org> >> Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 4:29 PM >> Subject: Re: New Ant GUI - 'Ant's Nest' >> >> >>> >>> On Jan 7, 2005, at 10:31 AM, Chris Clohosy wrote: >>> >>>> Thank you Rich, Erik, and Dominique for your comments, I'll >>>> certainly look into them. When I first started looking into this >>>> around May-time, I could not find any easy way of extracting the >>>> information needed from the Ant class files. I tried everything, >>>> from reflection to the Ant API itself and could not find anything. >>>> The best I could do was to look for the bean conventions like >>>> getters and setters but I didn't want to rely on that. Alos there >>>> was no way of knowing if an attribute was required, or if >it became >>>> required if another attribute was set, etc. That's way I >was heading >>>> down the meta-data route with annotations, I didn't have a >clue they >>>> were already marked up with @tags! >>>> >>>> This is a university project, and at the moment time is >running out >>>> so I have to prioritise what has to be included in the final >>>> version, so bear with me :-p But you all have definetely shed some >>>> light on what lies behind Ant, and I'm very grateful.' >>> >>> *sigh* - I work at a University myself, and it saddens me >to see how >>> many projects are done in isolation without communication with >>> others. Ant's source code has had these tags in them, readily >>> apparent. If you check Ant out from CVS (surely you did this, no?) >>> you'd see a proposal/xdocs directory where a pretty sophisticated >>> XDoclet-based generator exists to pull the metadata tags and >>> integrate with IntrospectionHelper. >>> >>> This issue has been discussed on this e-mail list and the dev one a >>> fair bit. These archives are searchable. >>> >>> So, you did not try "everything", as that would have >included looking >>> at the source code in depth and asking around on these >lists. Sorry >>> for giving you a hard time, but it is frustrating to see wheels >>> reinvented due to lack of knowledge. Wheels reinvented for >something >>> creative and better is a different story. >>> >>> What else could we have done to make the knowledge of what already >>> exists more apparent and easy for you to have found? >>> >>> And like a lot of University projects, they get abandoned just when >>> things start to get interesting. What will happen with >your project >>> when it reaches the "final version"? Will you continue to work on >>> it? >>> >>> Erik >>> >>> >>> >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
