Hi Chris S,

Thank you for that context.  Based on my experience with gRPC my response
would change.

I can only speak for myself, but I don't believe the removal of Kerberos
would be a blocker since acceptable alternatives exist within the
ecosystem.

Thanks,
Marc

On Fri, Aug 23, 2024 at 3:38 PM Christopher Shannon <
christopher.l.shan...@gmail.com> wrote:

> To provide some more context, we are exploring other alternatives besides
> Thrift for the RPC layer. Specifically I’ve been prototyping gRPC, which
> has some nice benefits and features, but it is based on Netty snd HTTP/2
> and does not support Kerberos or SASL.
>
> On Fri, Aug 23, 2024 at 2:01 PM Marc Parisi <phroc...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> I've struggled to get customers to engage in mailing lists -- not just
>> for Apache Accumulo -- but other open source projects -- so I'm afraid I
>> cannot share the same opinion on the need for formality -- especially since
>> this revolves around a security focused feature.
>>
>> In my personal experience vendors who support projects directly are a bit
>> more vocal but companies who use a project ( and are generally more focused
>> on BL) are reluctant to engage -- and, a few in my experience, forbade it
>> from their vendors until they determined it safe to do so.
>>
>> With that said I have a customer for whom I cannot speak publicly.  Would
>> they have an issue if support was removed? *Yes.*
>>
>> I know others on this list are in the same situation. I will do my best
>> to coax them into contributing something if they can.
>>
>> Best of luck gathering feedback.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Marc
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 23, 2024 at 1:34 PM Christopher <ctubb...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>>> The ASF doesn't have a formal system on which we could reliably conduct
>>> such a poll. This is just an informal open discussion with mailing list
>>> subscribers. If somebody wanted to gather anonymous poll data and
>>> contribute it to the discussion here, they are welcome to do that, and we
>>> can consider its utility at that time if it happens, but I don't think it's
>>> necessary to formalize a poll and add anonymity as a first attempt to get
>>> feedback from users here. It's not a particularly sensitive question to ask
>>> whether users would be impacted by the removal of any particular feature.
>>> If users have sensitivities in answering, they can just be terse in their
>>> response, respond privately off list, through a proxy, or not at all. We
>>> can already expect that any responses will not be a complete picture
>>> anyway, since not every user is subscribed to the mailing list. This is
>>> just a best effort attempt to get some initial feedback.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 23, 2024, 13:20 Marc Parisi <phroc...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Would the data be any less useful if this were an anonymous poll?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Aug 23, 2024 at 12:52 PM Christopher Shannon <
>>>> christopher.l.shan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Oops, I cc'd the wrong dev list so make sure responses go to the
>>>> right one.
>>>> >
>>>> > On Fri, Aug 23, 2024 at 12:50 PM Christopher Shannon <
>>>> > christopher.l.shan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> Hello Apache Accumulo Users,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> The Accumulo PMC would like to get some feedback on how widely used
>>>> >> Kerberos[1] support currently is with existing users. Specifically
>>>> we would
>>>> >> like some feedback on the following questions:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> 1) Who is currently using Kerberos support with Apache Accumulo?
>>>> >> 2) If you are using it, would you have an issue if support was
>>>> removed in
>>>> >> a future version?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Thank you.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> [1] https://accumulo.apache.org/docs/2.x/security/kerberos
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>

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